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fang wrote:

1st503rdsgt wrote:

So, in other words... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8qcccZy03s Wink

Got it.

No no no, that's not what I said so pls don't put words in my mouth!
I do accept "m" list, but part of the aircraft ordered and part of them just a plan.
As we know, no one guaranty the plans will turn to be orders.
The Israeli aircraft ORDERED!
I was talking about a case when the plan (or part of it) will not turn to be order, then the Israeli order can step forward.

Now you can go find another silly movie to express yourself

To "m": in order to make it clear I made a table out of your list, correct me pls if I was wrong, thank you.

Well done. The orginal table you will find in the letter of the min. of defence, june 6, 2012

Personanally I would change > 2018: Poduction in 2018: MY-1
May be reading first flight could be probably confusing for some readers?
(I do understand what you mean using this in this context)

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'Delivered/First Flight" means all the existing airplanes - some of them delivered already to Edwards, PAX and Eglin and some made inagural flight but they are still in Fort Worth Texas.
The Dutch MoD June 6 article, no details there about the airplanes
http://www.defensie.nl/english/latest/n ... team_ahead

fang wrote:

'Delivered/First Flight" means all the existing airplanes - some of them delivered already to Edwards, PAX and Eglin and some made inagural flight but they are still in Fort Worth Texas.
The Dutch MoD June 6 article, no details there about the airplanes
http://www.defensie.nl/english/latest/n ... team_ahead

Rapportage van het project Vervanging F16 over 2011
Reporting of the project F16 Replacement for 2011

Date: june 6, 2012
Page: 92

fang wrote:

..BTW, Israel ordered 20 aircraft,....

Sorry but Israel has not actually ordered "any" a/c. They may plan too, but at this time no LRIP8 contracts for "any" a/c for any country have been issued.

N00019-12-C-0070 mod #1 published on 28 Aug 12 is to provide for hardware and software for a Preliminary Design Review for an interface design for for the Israeli equipment. It is not for production. As this is contract for design, it has no requirement to define what LRIP is proposed.

LRIP7 is occaisionally modified as with the recent addition of 2 CTOL a/c for Norway. LRIP8 is the next and last LRIP planned at this time before LM begins the regular production contracts MY1,2,3,4.

I will concede one point, strangely this is a contract modification but the initial contract "N00019-12-C-0070" has yet to be released, publicly; who knows what may be contained in the unrelased contract. All a/c in production, to date are identified in all existing LM contracts.

If other contract (with contract number) information is available, please provide a source for verification. Smile

What does this mean (from previous page)?

LM Fast Facts 13 August 2012

http://f-35.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/ ... 3-2012.pdf

"• Following the Israeli Government decision to select the F-35 as the Israel Air Force’s next-generation fighter aircraft, Israeli Ministry of Defense Director General (Maj. Gen. Ret.) Udi Shani on Oct. 7 signed the Letter of Offer and Acceptance for the procurement of the F-35 aircraft. (October 2010)"
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IAF looking for second stealth fighter squadron By YAAKOV KATZ 02/21/2012

http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Article.aspx?id=258666

..."Israel finalized the procurement of its first squadron of 20 F-35s in a $2.75 billion deal in October, 2010...."

So anyway....

Lockheed Gets Contract for F-35 - Analyst Blog August 31, 2012

http://www.quote.com/news/zacksCache.aspx?id=558155

"...As a result of this contract, negotiations between Israel and the US will be finalized as special adaptation of the F-35 aircraft was a key element in Israel’s agreement to buy F-35 jets from Lockheed in October 2010...."

Mebbe this clears it up. What a convoluted process we have here...

FROM:
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_forum_viewtopi ... rt-15.html

DoD Mounts Push To Placate Israel Twin Trips by Panetta, Kendall Yield Mixed Results
Aug. 4, 2012 By BARBARA OPALL-ROME

http://www.defensenews.com/article/2012 ... 01/DEFSECT

"...At the same time, Kendall sought to reassure officials here that realignment in the multinational Joint Strike Fighter program would have minimal effect on cost and delivery schedules planned for Israel’s first F-35 squadron. On the contrary, sources here say the Pentagon is working with Israel to streamline the acquisition process to potentially allow for 20 F-35s instead of the 19 aircraft covered under an existing $2.75 billion contract...."

spazsinbad wrote:

So anyway...."

for today... the 170 a/c built or building at FW, none are LRIP8.

...all I'm looking for is the contract number Ha!...

... no tickee, no laundry.... Laughing

Y'all have a wonderful long Labor day Weekend!, I will! Cheers

I have no idea how to find a 'contract number' nor do I care to do so - however there are several sources that describe 'a contract'. How about you LABOUR to find such a contract number if you care so much? TAH. Very Happy

There is a difference between a contract between a country and the JPO to buy the F-35 and the contract from the JPO to LM to build the F-35. They are often years apart.

i know that they are not going to get the first export but I heard the Saudi Defence Ministry is joining on the party

f-22lm wrote:

i know that they are not going to get the first export but I heard the Saudi Defence Ministry is joining on the party

Wow that is an interesting rumor.
Any links to this???

archeman wrote:

f-22lm wrote:

i know that they are not going to get the first export but I heard the Saudi Defence Ministry is joining on the party

Wow that is an interesting rumor.
Any links to this???

AFAIK, this was apparently triggered by some LM marketing slides listing potential prospects for the jet.. a sales "wish list".

I don't see that happening, solely in the interest of preserving the Israeli/Saudi strategic balance that the Pentagon/DoS seems to care so much about. Do you really want a potential Islamofascist state with F-35s? Confused

southernphantom wrote:

I don't see that happening, solely in the interest of preserving the Israeli/Saudi strategic balance that the Pentagon/DoS seems to care so much about. Do you really want a potential Islamofascist state with F-35s? Confused

Hell, we're already letting a soon-to-be Islamofascist state help build the things. *cough* Turkey *cough*

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Who receives the first F-35 export - UK or Israel?