Forum: General F-35 Forum

fang wrote:

maus92 wrote:

Looks like Israel is getting some funding for their country specific model:

"Lockheed Martin Corp., Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Co., Ft. Worth, Texas, is being awarded a $206,821,828 modification to a previously awarded cost-reimbursement contract (N00019-12-C-0070). This modification provides for the System Development and Demonstration Phase I Increment 1, in support of F-35A Conventional Take Off and Landing (CTOL) Air System for the Government of Israel under the Foreign Military Sales Program. This modification includes the development of the hardware and software for the Israel F-35A CTOL Air System from the initial requirements development to the Preliminary Design Review (PDR). In addition, the post PDR of hardware only, will continue through finalized requirements, layouts, and build to prints, including production planning data. Work will be performed at Fort Worth, Texas (60 percent); Los Angeles, Calif. (20 percent); Nashua, N.H. (15 percent); and San Diego, Calif. (5 percent), and is expected to be completed in May 2016. Contract funds will not expire at the end of the current fiscal year. The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Md., is the contracting activity."

http://www.defense.gov//contracts/contr ... actid=4864

Israeli Plans to Buy F-35s Moving Forward
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/isr ... 35s-02381/

BTW, did you see that? Smile

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jayraptor wrote:

It will be UK the first to receive the F-35 first batch production units. UK is biggest investor in JSF only second to US, also its local BAe & Rolls Royce had roles in the F-35's R&D especially in V/STOL and part of avionics.

Hope you are not disappointed, but after CY09 and CY10 Italy and Australia will receive the first F35’s

CY09: LRIP3 and CY10: LRIP 4 > UK and the Netherlands

Expected > First orders (deliveries) after CY09 and CY10:
CY12: LRIP 6 > Italy and Australia
CY13: LRIP 7 > Italy, Turkey and UK

Australia:
CY12: LRIP 6 > 2
CY14: LRIP 8 > 4
CY15: LRIP 9 > 8
CY16: LRIP 10 > 15
CY17: LRIP 11 > 15
CY18: MY-1> 15

Canada:
CY14: LRIP 8 > 1
CY15: LRIP 9 > 3
CY16: LRIP 10 > 9
CY17: LRIP 11 > 13
CY18: MY-1> 13

Denmark:
CY16: LRIP 10 > 4
CY17: LRIP 11 > 10
CY18: MY-1> 10

Italy:
CY12: LRIP 6 > 3
CY13: LRIP 7 > 3
CY14: LRIP 8 > 4
CY15: LRIP 9 > 4
CY16: LRIP 10 > 6
CY17: LRIP 11 > 6
CY18: MY-1> 8

Netherlands:
CY09: LRIP 3 >1
CY10: LRIP 4 > 1

CY17: LRIP11 >10
CY18: MY-1 > 10

Norway:
CY14: LRIP 8 > 4
CY15: LRIP 9 > 6
CY16: LRIP 10 > 6
CY17: LRIP 11 > 6
CY18: MY-1> 6

UK:
CY09: LRIP 3 > 2
CY10: LRIP 4 > 1

CY13: LRIP 7 > 7
CY15: LRIP 9 > 9
CY16: LRIP 10 > 11
CY17: LRIP 11 > 3
CY18: MY-1 > 6

(List UK: till CY27/MY-2)

Turkey:
CY13: LRIP 7 > 6
CY14: LRIP 8 > 6
CY15: LRIP 9 > 12
CY16: LRIP 10 > 12
CY17: LRIP 11 > 12
CY18: MY-1> 12

* MY: Multi Year Buy
* CY17: LRIP 11 > delivery expected in 2019

Do you have details on Israeli and Japanese orders?

Job gains, cost benefit seen from Japan F-35 order Dec 21, 2011 (Reporting By Andrea Shalal-Esa; Editing by Phil Berlowitz)

http://in.reuters.com/article/2011/12/2 ... 8620111221

"...Japan's initial planes would be included in the eighth batch of fighter jets, the Pentagon office that oversees the F-35 program said in a statement on Monday...."
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Lockheed awarded $207 million contract to incorporate Israeli-specific F-35 systems 29 Aug 2012 by Dave Majumdar

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... ms-375899/
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"...The contract is being executed as part of the Pentagon's Foreign Military Sales programme. The Israeli-specific developmental work is expected to be completed by May 2016.

Israel's aircraft would be delivered as part of the F-35 programme's low-rate initial production lot 8 in 2016."

"m" my dear, nice list but I don't blv it.
At the moment there are no orders, so they'll make the planes based on what?
Canada in a big domestic war becouse of that, UK, NL, Italy, Norway and Turkey wanna wait and see.
AU will convert 12 Super-Hornets to Growler, it's means they'll go to SEAD instead of STEALTH.
Whos left? US, Israel and Japan...

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SpudmanWP wrote:

Do you have details on Israeli and Japanese orders?

Hi Spud. These are figures based on a list as published in a letter of the Dutch min. of Defence (June 6, 2012)
No specific Japanese or Israeli figures were mentioned, except 19 Israeli F35`s and the ordered Japanese F35’s

Till so far it’s unclear how many F35`s will be ordered by all level partners, except for Norway and Italy and probably Turkey as well
UK:? Netherlands:? Denmark:? Canada:? Australia:?

Probably less F35’s will be ordered by some level partners (financial crisis) , but it’s not impossible options will be kept open by countries that will order less F35’s.
(Denmark mentions in a audit report (2009) 30 F35’s , but mentions a figure of 24 as well)
As stated in a Dutch letter, orders will depend on a future political/military worldwide situation as well.

According this list, theoretically, when these numbers will be ordered, 780 F35’s could have been ordered in CY18

Level partners: 305
US: 475
Total: 780.

LRIP 11: CY 17 > delivery in 2019
MY-1: CY18: delivery in 2020

Levelpartners:
CY09 > CY18: 305
CY19 > CY27: 364
Total: 669

US:
CY09 > MY-18: 475
CY19 > CY34: 1968
Total: 2443

US: 2443
CY07: LRIP 1 > 2
CY08: LRIP 2 > 12
CY09: LRIP 3 > 14
CY10: LRIP 4 > 30
CY11: LRIP 5 > 32
CY12: LRIP 6 > 31
CY13: LRIP 7 > 29
CY14: LRIP 9 > 29
CY15: LRIP 9 > 44
CY16: LRIP 10 > 66
CY17: LRIP 11 > 76
CY18: MY-1 > 110
Sub total: 475

CY19: MY-1 > 110
CY20: MY-1 > 110
CY21: MY-1 > 129
CY22: MY-1 > 130
CY23: MY-2 > 130
CY24: MY-2 > 130
CY25: MY-2 > 130
CY26: MY-2 > 130
CY27: MY-2 > 126
Sub total: 1125

CY28-34: MY-3/4 > 843
Total: 2443

Levelpartners: CY09 > MY18
Australia: 59
Canada: 39
Denmark: 24
Italy: 34
Netherlands: 22
Norway: 28
Turkey: 60
UK: 39
Total: 305

Levelpartners: CY19 > CY27
Australia: 41
Canada: 28
Denmark: 13
Italy: 56
Netherlands: 63
Norway 24
Turkey: 40
UK: 99
Total: 364

CY09 > MY18

Australia: 100
CY12: LRIP 6 > 2
CY14: LRIP 8 > 4
CY15: LRIP 9 > 8
CY16: LRIP 10 > 15
CY17: LRIP 11 > 15
CY18: MY-1> 15
Total: 59

Canada: 65
CY14: LRIP 8 > 1
CY15: LRIP 9 > 3
CY16: LRIP 10 > 9
CY17: LRIP 11 > 13
CY18: MY-1> 13
Total: 39

Denmark:30
CY16: LRIP 10 > 4
CY17: LRIP 11 > 10
CY18: MY-1> 10
Total: 24

Italy: 90
CY12: LRIP 6 > 3
CY13: LRIP 7 > 3
CY14: LRIP 8 > 4
CY15: LRIP 9 > 4
CY16: LRIP 10 > 6
CY17: LRIP 11 > 6
CY18: MY-1> 8
Total: 34

Netherlands: 85
CY09: LRIP 3 >1
CY10: LRIP 4 > 1

CY17: LRIP11 >10
CY18: MY-1 > 10
Total: 22

Norway: 52
CY14: LRIP 8 > 4
CY15: LRIP 9 > 6
CY16: LRIP 10 > 6
CY17: LRIP 11 > 6
CY18: MY-1> 6
Total: 28

Turkey: 100
CY13: LRIP 7 > 6
CY14: LRIP 8 > 6
CY15: LRIP 9 > 12
CY16: LRIP 10 > 12
CY17: LRIP 11 > 12
CY18: MY-1> 12
Total: 60

UK: 138
CY09: LRIP 3 > 2
CY10: LRIP 4 > 1

CY13: LRIP 7 > 7
CY15: LRIP 9 > 9
CY16: LRIP 10 > 11
CY17: LRIP 11 > 3
CY18: MY-1 > 6
Total: 39

CY19 > CY27

Australia: 100
CY19: MY-1 > 13
CY20: MY-1 > 15
CY21: MY-1 > 13
Total: 41

Canada: 65
CY19: MY-1 > 13
CY20: MY-1 > 15
Total: 28

Denmark: 30
CY19: MY-1 > 6
Total: 6

Italy: 90
CY19: MY-1 > 6
CY20: MY-1 > 6
CY21: MY-1 > 9
CY22: MY-1 > 11

CY23: MY-2 > 11
CY24: MY-2 > 11
CY25: MY-2 > 2
Total: 56

Netherlands: 85
CY19: MY-1 > 10
CY20: MY-1 > 10
CY21: MY-1 > 10
CY22: MY-1 > 10

CY23: MY-2 > 10
CY24: MY-2 > 10
CY25: MY-2 > 3
Total: 63

Norway: 52
CY19: MY-1 > 6
CY20: MY-1 > 6
CY21: MY-1 > 6
CY22: MY-1 > 6
Total: 24

Turkey: 100
CY19: MY-1 > 12
CY20: MY-1 > 10
CY21: MY-1 > 10
CY22: MY-1 > 4

CY23: MY-2 > 4
Total: 40

UK: 138
CY19: MY-1 > 14
CY20: MY-1 > 10
CY21: MY-1 > 2
CY22: MY-1 > 4

CY23: MY-2 > 14
CY24: MY-2 > 14
CY25: MY-2 > 14
CY26: MY-2 > 14
CY27: MY-2 > 13
Total: 99

* MY: Multi Year Buy

fang wrote:

"m" my dear, nice list but I don't blv it.
At the moment there are no orders, so they'll make the planes based on what?
Canada in a big domestic war becouse of that, UK, NL, Italy, Norway and Turkey wanna wait and see.
AU will convert 12 Super-Hornets to Growler, it's means they'll go to SEAD instead of STEALTH.
Whos left? US, Israel and Japan...

Is it really? Japan and Israel ordered, as well as Italy, Norway and Australia ordered their first F35's ...
Israel probably will order a next batch F35's (48 in stead of 24).

Australia? As far as I know the F18E/F is seen by Australia as a interim solution.
But may be they keep the F18 as well, plus the F35's. Australia still intends to order 100 F35's as far as I know,

fang wrote:

"m" my dear, nice list but I don't blv it.
At the moment there are no orders, so they'll make the planes based on what?
Canada in a big domestic war becouse of that, UK, NL, Italy, Norway and Turkey wanna wait and see.
AU will convert 12 Super-Hornets to Growler, it's means they'll go to SEAD instead of STEALTH.
Whos left? US, Israel and Japan...

So, in other words... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8qcccZy03s Wink

Got it.

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1st503rdsgt wrote:

So, in other words... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8qcccZy03s Wink

Got it.

No no no, that's not what I said so pls don't put words in my mouth!
I do accept "m" list, but part of the aircraft ordered and part of them just a plan.
As we know, no one guaranty the plans will turn to be orders.
The Israeli aircraft ORDERED!
I was talking about a case when the plan (or part of it) will not turn to be order, then the Israeli order can step forward.

Now you can go find another silly movie to express yourself

To "m": in order to make it clear I made a table out of your list, correct me pls if I was wrong, thank you.

Thanks 'fang' - nice table. Japan has this to say: (with LRIP 8 the batch [above post] for these first four ordered as seen below)

Japan Agrees to F-35 Buy Despite Price Increase Jun. 29, 2012 By AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE

http://www.defensenews.com/article/2012 ... /306290002

"...On June 29, Tokyo signed a Letter of Offer and Acceptance for four fighter jets at $120 million each, along with two simulators & other accessories for a total cost of 60 billion yen. The planned purchase of the other 38 jets has yet to be formally confirmed....”

Tnx spaz, I forgot all about it Smile

Fixed!

BTW, Israel ordered 20 aircraft, not 19.
Actually it's 1+19, ASAIK the first will come from the US inventory.

Yep 20... [NOPE 19?] The ups and downs of this F-35 program eh...

IAF looking for second stealth fighter squadron By YAAKOV KATZ 02/21/2012

http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Article.aspx?id=258666

..."Israel finalized the procurement of its first squadron of 20 F-35s in a $2.75 billion deal in October, 2010...."
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U.S. OKs Israeli systems deal for F-35s by Staff Writers (UPI) Jul 30, 2012

http://www.spacemart.com/reports/US_OKs ... s_999.html

“A reported agreement by the Pentagon & Lockheed Martin to install Israeli-made electronic warfare systems in 19 F-35I Joint Strike Fighters ordered by the Jewish state gives a major boost for the $2.75 billion deal that has been worrying the Israelis...."

This just means that one will not have the mods because it will remain in the US for training purposes?
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Israel, U.S. Agree To $450 Million In F-35 EW Work By Eshel David, David Fulghum 06 August 2012 Aviation Week & Space Technology

"A $450 million agreement between Israel and Lockheed Martin to allow Israel’s own electronic warfare (EW) equipment on the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter paves the way to finalizing an initial 19-jet, $2.75 billion JSF deal..." WTF

LM Fast [& Loose] Facts 13 August 2012

http://f-35.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/ ... 3-2012.pdf

"• On June 29, 2012 Japan formally signed a Letter of Offer and Acceptance to procure its initial order of four F- 35A CTOLs and simulators. (June 2012)

• On June 14, 2012 the Norwegian Parliament approved the country’s full participation in the F-35 program. This decision expands Norway’s commitment from four training jets approved in 2011 to the full complement of 52 F-35s, subject to annual approvals by Parliament. (June 2012)

• The Turkish Defense Industry Executive Committee authorized the procurement of two F-35 Lightning II aircraft that will be built in Low Rate Initial Production Lot 7. (January 2012)

• The Japan Ministry of Defense announced its selection of the F-35 Lightning II as the Japan Air Self Defense Force’s (JASDF) next generation fighter aircraft, following the F-X competitive bid process. The F-35A conventional takeoff and landing variant (CTOL) was offered by the United States government with participation from Lockheed Martin. The initial contract will be for four jets in Japan Fiscal Year 2012, which begins April 1, 2012. (December 2011)

• The Norwegian Parliament unanimously approved the funding of four (4) F-35 Lightning II training jets to begin fulfilling Norway's future air-combat capability requirements. (June 2011)

• The Dutch Parliament made a decision and agreed to procure a second test F-35 Netherlands aircraft for inclusion in the test and evaluation phase of SDD. (April 2011)

• Following the Israeli Government decision to select the F-35 as the Israel Air Force’s next-generation fighter aircraft, Israeli Ministry of Defense Director General (Maj. Gen. Ret.) Udi Shani on Oct. 7 signed the Letter of Offer and Acceptance for the procurement of the F-35 aircraft. (October 2010)

• Canada announced its selection of the F-35 to fulfill its future fighter requirements. (July 2010)

• The Joint Combat Aircraft program announced that the United Kingdom has received financial approval to purchase its third F-35B operational test aircraft. (December 2009)

• The Australian government made the decision to purchase 14 F-35 aircraft. (November 2009)

• The Norwegian Parliament has decided to support the government’s recent decision to replace its F-16 aircraft with F-35 aircraft. (June 2009)

• Dutch parliament made a decision and agreed to procure one test F-35 Netherlands aircraft for inclusion in the test and evaluation phase of SDD. (April 2009)

• The Italian Parliament approved the Ministry of Defence plan to enter into the next phase of their involvement in the program, including the purchase of 131 F-35 aircraft and construction of a final assembly facility at Cameri Air Base. (April 2009)"

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spazsinbad wrote:

This just means that one will not have the mods because it will remain in the US for training purposes?

One of the present US F-35A's for evaluation by the Israeli FTC squadron in Eglin AFB and/or Edwards AFB to determinate how the F-35i gonna be.
In the end it will convert to F-35i and come to israel with the rest F-35i's.
(again, I'm not sure about it but that's my sorce in Israel say)

IAF FTC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/601_Squadron_(Israel)

Australia - ordered 14 but in May 2012 postponed 12
http://australianaviation.com.au/2012/0 ... -us-delay/

Norway - 2 ordered + sure option for another 2
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... rt-373063/

Italy - To cut 41 jets, so its comes to 90 jets
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-0 ... evamp.html

Sounds reasonable. I'm surprised that 'journalists' don't pick up on that point about 19/20 F-35Is. Shirley they can makes something out of that? You heard if first here! Very Happy

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Who receives the first F-35 export - UK or Israel?