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count_to_10 wrote:

PhillyGuy wrote:

Wow, so basically a hit anywhere aft of the pilot is going to strike fuel. Hmm...
At least they're all at the top.

What plane is that not true for besides the A-10?

There is an Air Force technical order out there somewhere which shows nicely the fuel tank layouts of almost all major US aircraft and I can't recall seeing another type as encompassing as the layout on the F-35. The Raptor would be the second closest.

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PhillyGuy wrote:

Wow, so basically a hit anywhere aft of the pilot is going to strike fuel. Hmm...
At least they're all at the top.

Most 4+ Gen aircraft have fuel tank inerting systems, which pressurize the tank with nitrogen or other inert gas. A round could be fired through the tank, and not ignite the fuel.

Newer Boeing airliners also have fuel tank inerting, as a result of the TWA 800 crash.

Websites change addresses a lot these days, especially military ones for whatever reason, anyhow here is an 8Mb PDF showing the fuel (+ weapon & ejection seat hazards) situation for some European jet types (not US [or F-35 however due to info being old]):

EMERGENCY RESCUE & MISHAP RESPONSE

http://www.0x4d.net/files/AF1/R11%20Segment%2026.pdf (8Mb)

Luckily the website has a directory list of PDFs that will have other aircraft info in them (but again not likely the F-35). Go here:

http://www.0x4d.net/files/AF1/
OR
Go here for a listing of what is what in previous URL list:

http://www.0x4d.net/files/AF1/to00-105e-9.htm

Segment 1: Title A, B, & C pages, Forward, List of Illustrations,Aircraft and NATO ID's, FAA/ICAO Designators, and Chapters 1-3
Segment 2: Chapter 4 - USAF Attack
Segment 3: Chapter 5 - USAF Bomber
Segment 4: Chapter 6 - USAF Cargo Pt1 C-5 thru C-12J
Segment 5: Chapter 6 - USAF Cargo Pt2 C-17A thru C-20
Segment 6: Chapter 6 - USAF Cargo Pt3 C-21 - C-40
Segment 7: Chapter 6 - USAF Cargo Pt4 C-130 thru WC-135W
Segment 8: Chapter 6 - USAF Cargo Pt5 VC-137 thru KC-10 and chapter end
Segment 9: Chapter 7 - USAF Electronic Pt1 E-3 30/35 thru VC-25 (AF-1)
Segment 10: Chapter 7 - USAF Electronic Pt2 YAL-1A to chapter end
Segment 11: Chapters 8 - USAF Fighter Pt1 QF-4 thru F-16
Segment 12: Chapters 8 - USAF Fighter Pt2 F-22A thru F-117A
Segment 13: Chapters 9 - USAF Helicopter
Segment 14: Chapter 10 - USAF Observation / Reconnaissance
Segment 15: Chapters 11 and 12 - USAF Trainer and Utility
Segment 16: Chapter 13 thru 16 - USA Helicopter Trainer, Utility, and VSTOL/Cargo/Transport/Paratroop
Segment 17: Chapter 17 - NASA Aerospacecraft and Micro-gravity Information
Segment 18: Chapter 18 - CRAF Pt1 DC-3 thru DC-10
Segment 19: Chapter 18 - CRAF Pt2 MD-11 thru L-1011-500
Segment 20: Chapter 18 CRAF Pt3 707 thru 737
Segment 21: Chapter 18 CRAF Pt4 747 thru 777 and chapter end
Segment 22: Chapter 19 Various US Government Agencies Pt1 USCG to NOAA
Segment 23: Chapter 19 Various US Government Agencies Pt2 USFS
Segment 24: Chapters 20 thru 22 - US Navy Attack, Fighter, and Special Mission
Segment 25: Chapters 23 thru 25 - US Navy Transport, Trainer, and Helicopter
Segment 26: Chapters 26 and 27 - NATO Attack, Bomber/Marine
Segment 27:Chapter 28 - NATO Cargo
Segment 28:Chapters 29 - NATO Fighter
Segment 29:Chapter 30 - NATO Helicopter Pt1 A109 thru Lynx MK3
Segment 30:Chapter 30 - NATO Helicopter Pt2 Lynx MK7 thru Sea King HAS/ASW/6
Segment 31:Chapter 30 - NATO Helicopter Pt3 Sea KingMK4 thru Wessex HC2/HC5C
Segment 32: Chapters 31 and 34 - NATO Observation/Reconnaissance, Trainer, Tanker and Utility
Segment 33: Chapters 35 and 36 - NATO Small and Large Commercial

So http://www.0x4d.net/files/AF1/R11%20Segment%2012.pdf (6.8Mb) will have the F-22 info. I'll post a pic...

I'm sure a lot of study went into the boundary between the B model roll control nozzle feed tubes and the wing A2 tanks.
That is pretty hot air right there and having a stream of hot air under high pressure flowing into the wing spaces in conjunction with a tank rupture would severely complicate the task of the fire suppression system.
If I recall correctly, the shutoff valves at the engine to those tubes was eliminated probably during the Jenny Craig slimdown effort.

Here is the F-16

http://www.0x4d.net/files/AF1/R11%20Segment%2011.pdf
.

SpudmanWP wrote:

Here is the F-16

http://www.0x4d.net/files/AF1/R11%20Segment%2011.pdf
.

Damn it, why you gotta prove me wrong bro? Doh

Well, the F-15 didn't quite have it's fuel spread so far around, if that's any consolation.

Last edited by spazsinbad on Sep 07, 2012 - 04:04 AM; edited 2 times in total

F-15 Fuel Arrangements from: http://www.0x4d.net/files/AF1/R11%20Segment%2011.pdf (7.7Mb)

trying to out-double-post Popcorn?

Trying to change an image with another one is more fun that a barrel of monkeys. I'll delete one. Last time I looked there was only one - but there you go. I'll have to keep checking back. I'll have to keep checking back. I'll have to keep checking back. Very Happy

And the Rhino only had its leading-edge/wingroot tanks exposed to ground fire. The main 6-7 cells were mounted in the spinal bulge.

QF-4 from: http://www.0x4d.net/files/AF1/R11%20Segment%2011.pdf (7.7Mb)

More KLOOS on the iPHONE theme:

First F-35 training commander: 'This jet is our future' Sep/11/2012
by Senior Airman Christina Brownlow, Air Force Public Affairs Agency
(Tech. Sgt. Shawn J. Jones contributed to this article)

http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123317408

"...Kloos said the common frame of reference within the F-35 flying community will have a real impact on air combat.

"We'll speak the same language when it comes to executing tactics," he said.

He also said the impact extends all the way to the top Airman in the fight, the combined forces air component commander.

Much like in large-scale exercises, the extensive variety of aircraft under the air commander's purview requires an encyclopedia's worth of knowledge in order to assign the aircraft to the various day-to-day combat taskings in the most efficient manner.

As more and more of the multi-role F-35s are added to the inventories of the U.S. and its allies, a commander will be able to shift his focus to other warfighting priorities.

While Kloos said the F-35 provides substantial value, it also a joy to fly.

"It's really an easy airplane to fly," said Kloos. "It's very stable and well balanced and it feels very light on its feet compared to how it appears."

Kloos said the aircraft was designed for the new generation of cadets who grew up playing video games.

Compared to the fighters it will replace, the F-35 has a very clean cockpit. The walls of switches common to many aircraft have been moved to two touch screens, which have interfaces that operate like many smart phones...."

As usual more CLUES at the JUMP about common frame of reference for allies working together.

So, with the information the F-35 will be feeding to ground forces, wouldn't it have been nice if they had something like the cancelled NLOSLS to take advantage of it?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM501_Non- ... nch_System

Spike NLOS (and it's operational)

http://defense-update.com/features/2009 ... 01109.html

http://www.rafael.co.il/marketing/SIP_S ... 6/1026.pdf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXw9SqnXqZQ

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