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Insecurity isn't the emotion. I'd describe it closer to amusement.

I'm not the one who posts biased and factually incorrect assertions, only to lamely defend them by suggesting others misinterpreted what I said when confronted with contradictory information. I mean when I state the F-35 is unable to fly beyond 20deg AoA I really didn't mean to say that as a definite statement at all... especially when I post a pretty graph and misinterpret its signficance... right?

Watching your over the top attempt to diminish this news story reveals so much about your persona and your actual ability to conduct rational discussion... which seem almost negligible at this point.

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Hey JeffB,
Can we get back onto the topic? As an aside, F22 and B2 are not the best platforms to strike mobile targets that needs to be visually id'ed in a high threat environment. Doable I grant you but these platforms will always need other assets to visually/optically confirm the mobile targets. JASSM is surely sn ecpensive way to hit mobile targets in the long run and they don't loiter..not good for targets of opportunity. UCAS...I admit it is a good solution for this problem but lets see how the UCAS prototypes perform in simulated missions and what problems the UCAS flight test program uncover.

Finally, they have manage to pickle off a bomb successfully. Interesting to see how the internal weapons bay seperation test for the "Bee" progresses as the envelope is expanded.

As a personal aside - being in Australia - speakin' Ozzie - I find it difficult to follow the milspeak of most serving US personnel most of the time and when that carries over to SLDinfo (one example) I have trouble 'shaping' my understanding of said milspeak. I gather it makes sense to Amuricans - at least I hope so. Seems to me that today every spokesperson (not just military) speaks in 'sound bites' and says nothing in particular except a bunch of words. I'm always amused by those attempting to interpret these 'bunches of words' that often don't mean much. Life is hard eh. Very Happy

I watch every day an American TV Newshour which helps me come to grips with Amuricans and what ails them. And I spent 5-6 months there but sadly a very long time ago now. I can see why Amuricans are bewildered when they visit Aus to hear some plain speakin'. Very Happy

And I'm not endorsing any views expressed on this forum - except my own - I am a gleeful endorsee....

WHAT? NO URL TO JUMP TO? Heaven ForFend! Gadzooks. Avast me Hearties and - oh just shut up. Very Happy

mk82 wrote:

Hey JeffB, Can we get back onto the topic? As an aside, F22 and B2 are not the best platforms to strike mobile targets that needs to be visually id'ed in a high threat environment.

Absolutely mk82, good points on the F22 and B2 too, but what does high threat mean in the current context (or in a 2020 context)? Advanced IADS? The IADS that survive attempts to be taken out by F22/B2 and cruise missiles are unlikely to be bamboozled by the less stealthy F-35s buzzing around in their firing zones.

And yep, they've pickled off a bomb successfully. Hooray. I'm a little disappointed that it's only a single view from directly amidships as it doesn't show you anything about the way it came off the rack or what happened when it hit the slipstream, whether there was any interference from the doors which when you look at them head on make you think they must be exerting some force on the aircraft when open (more “tweaks” to the FCS to negate them perhaps). Do we know if the rack pushes the bomb out or does it just let it drop?

spazsinbad wrote:

As a personal aside - being in Australia - speakin' Ozzie - I find it difficult to follow the milspeak of most serving US personnel most of the time and when that carries over to SLDinfo (one example) I have trouble 'shaping' my understanding of said milspeak. I gather it makes sense to Amuricans - at least I hope so. Seems to me that today every spokesperson (not just military) speaks in 'sound bites' and says nothing in particular except a bunch of words. I'm always amused by those attempting to interpret these 'bunches of words' that often don't mean much. Life is hard eh. Very Happy

I watch every day an American TV Newshour which helps me come to grips with Amuricans and what ails them. And I spent 5-6 months there but sadly a very long time ago now. I can see why Amuricans are bewildered when they visit Aus to hear some plain speakin'. Very Happy

And I'm not endorsing any views expressed on this forum - except my own - I am a gleeful endorsee....

WHAT? NO URL TO JUMP TO? Heaven ForFend! Gadzooks. Avast me Hearties and - oh just shut up. Very Happy

You're not driving tonight are you Spaz?

Dan Levin wrote:

"Internal carry brings capability to the troops".

It's like one of those excruciating interviews they try to have with footballers at the end of a match Laughing

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I thought Amuricans had to have a license to 'hidden carry'? Very Happy

Yeah I'm on a sugar high. Had brekkie for dindins. Very Happy

Now I'm coming down I realise I had a 'banan' also (see pic). They always make me happy.

hb_pencil wrote:

jeffb wrote:

The F-35, the answer to the question nobody asked.

Feeling a bit insecure there buddy? You're coming off a bit strong here, even by your standards.

Maybe that line should read:

Jeffb, Answers for questions that only require rhetoric and insinuation, not facts.

Of course he is. One of the favorite ABJ sayings has been taken away from them rather abruptly ("it hasn't even dropped a weapon yet") and they haven't had a chance to get a new point of contention from their "guru" yet...

No doubt he'll begin on the "bomber doors" or some similar nonsense soon enough, but until then he'll be terribly upset with any news that demonstrates clear progress on the F-35...

Meanwhile few will notice and less will care...

I was half expecting them to drop from the wing stations first, so nice to see they went straight for what I speculate could be the hardest, with unpredictable turbulence in the bay. It is also interesting to notice the down angle of the AIM-9 on the outer station. I guess that ensures a clean drop if jettisoned

Conan wrote:

hb_pencil wrote:

jeffb wrote:

The F-35, the answer to the question nobody asked.

Feeling a bit insecure there buddy? You're coming off a bit strong here, even by your standards.

Maybe that line should read:

Jeffb, Answers for questions that only require rhetoric and insinuation, not facts.

Of course he is. One of the favorite ABJ sayings has been taken away from them rather abruptly ("it hasn't even dropped a weapon yet") and they haven't had a chance to get a new point of contention from their "guru" yet...

No doubt he'll begin on the "bomber doors" or some similar nonsense soon enough, but until then he'll be terribly upset with any news that demonstrates clear progress on the F-35...

Meanwhile few will notice and less will care...

I love the way you guys twist a comment about some dumbass sound bite into a deep psychological profile which points (inevitably) to some underlying fear or insecurity that LM will or won't eventually finish this thing off (or convince the USG that it's sufficiently finished off) and start shipping it out to the squadrons. If I didn't know better I'd swear you guys worked at a psychotherapists office, or at least spent a lot of time around one Laughing

"ABJ"?
"Bomber doors"?

I give, what the hell are you talking about now?

lamoey wrote:

I was half expecting them to drop from the wing stations first, so nice to see they went straight for what I speculate could be the hardest, with unpredictable turbulence in the bay. It is also interesting to notice the down angle of the AIM-9 on the outer station. I guess that ensures a clean drop if jettisoned

It would have been nice to see the drop from a couple of angles and yeah, the down angle is quite pronounced isn't it. Although I notice that a lot of the F-18s show a similar 'droop' on their wingtip stations:

lamoey wrote:

I was half expecting them to drop from the wing stations first, so nice to see they went straight for what I speculate could be the hardest, with unpredictable turbulence in the bay. It is also interesting to notice the down angle of the AIM-9 on the outer station. I guess that ensures a clean drop if jettisoned

The most likely reason for internal weapons first is that Internal weapons are part or Blk2B (IOC for F-35B) and does not contain external weapons.

btw, The wingtip 9X is rail launched, not ejected like a bomb. You are correct in that it is at a downward angle for separation safety reasons.

Did you notice how forcefully the 1k bomb is shoved out of the bay? They really do not want a repeat of previous gravity bombs coming back up and hitting the plane they dropped from.

jeffb wrote:

lamoey wrote:

I was half expecting them to drop from the wing stations first, so nice to see they went straight for what I speculate could be the hardest, with unpredictable turbulence in the bay. It is also interesting to notice the down angle of the AIM-9 on the outer station. I guess that ensures a clean drop if jettisoned

It would have been nice to see the drop from a couple of angles and yeah, the down angle is quite pronounced isn't it. Although I notice that a lot of the F-18s show a similar 'droop' on their wingtip stations:

I would have thought that the wing tip station would not have needed the "droop" for jettison purpose, so there must be another operational reason for the down angle. The Super Bug also have the yaw angle on their under wing stations that are very pronounced, but that I understand is for safe drop and jettison.

SpudmanWP wrote:

lamoey wrote:

I was half expecting them to drop from the wing stations first, so nice to see they went straight for what I speculate could be the hardest, with unpredictable turbulence in the bay. It is also interesting to notice the down angle of the AIM-9 on the outer station. I guess that ensures a clean drop if jettisoned

The most likely reason for internal weapons first is that Internal weapons are part or Blk2B (IOC for F-35B) and does not contain external weapons.

btw, The wingtip 9X is rail launched, not ejected like a bomb. You are correct in that it is at a downward angle for separation safety reasons.

Did you notice how forcefully the 1k bomb is shoved out of the bay? They really do not want a repeat of previous gravity bombs coming back up and hitting the plane they dropped from.

It did drop fast, but I could not tell if it was just dropped or if it was pushed by a rig like the F-22 is using to eject its stingers.

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It is pneumatically pushed.

If you read the fourth paragraph it indicates the F-35 has a pneumatic (non-pyrotechnic) bomb ejection system.

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