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AESA can more effectively concentrate beams on low RCS target that means more power can reflect to the receiver than the doppler radar,while have greater chance to detect stealthy targetsthan the rear one do.
However,it supposed from the speech belongs to a pilot with raptor experience that it's difficult for 2 raptors to detect each other in recent exercises such as Northen Edge 2008/2009.
Follow the logic,AWACS like 737 with MESA radar or PLAAF's new KJ2000,or maybe the new J-STARS radar gained some new tech developed frome the MC2A project got more powerful AESA and T/R units in bigger number still have the opportunity to beat the stealthy raptor.

it might be a joke,but I will really appreciate ur ideas, guys Razz

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Why are you looking to beat the Raptor?

Yeah, you will likely increase the chances of seeing the Raptor by some .00001% and increases the chance of the Raptor seeing you by some 10000%. More power to (try to) see Raptors means more power for the ALR-94 to have fun with. Do this and you'll surely have an AMRAAM coming from 'nothing' Wink

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If AESA AWACS could somehow beat Raptor and JSF stealth, then there's 10 or so nations that can do that already.

AESA and AWACS is nothing new. :/

AESA AWACS will be detected by the F-22/35 LONG before the AWACS can detect the F-22/35.

There will then be an inbound AAM headed to the AWACS.

I am sure AWACS and especially an AESA based AWACS can detect the Raptor, power and range will defeat a lot of stealth. The real question is, can they detect and track the raptor before they catch a missile? Probably not

nam11b wrote:

I am sure AWACS and especially an AESA based AWACS can detect the Raptor, power and range will defeat a lot of stealth. The real question is, can they detect and track the raptor before they catch a missile? Probably not

I agree with you.. From here, the necessity of kinematic performance .
(intended as aircraft speed and missile range/speed (aim-120D and possibly jdradm)

Hey, billsnavycareer, all your base are belong to us?

There actually are real technologies to defeat 'stealth'. LIDAR coupled with IRST at very close range should be quite effective. The question is how to stack said technologies on the battlefield to actually be effective. For the time being, all aspect passive 'stealth' coupled with active 'stealth' is still a tough bear to take down. Hence the AF pursuing stealth over performance with the B-2 (B-3 if its still under development), the F-35, and UCAVs.

If the F-22 is operating in EMCON, how will the AWACS know where to concentrate it's beam? That's like trying to skan the sky for a distant aircraft using 200x binoculars. There's a tiny chance you'll see them, but otherwise you're scanning such a small amount of sky that it's counterproductive.

Better question. Can an AESA AWACS fry multiple missiles heading towards it!?

I know AEGIS ships can. But their normal functions get all F-d up or something during the process.

IMHO, you can have an AESA radar with all the power you could ask for lookin' for a stealth jet. But if the jet's shaping and other LO features still redirects and scatters the energy away from the receiver, you're still not gonna see it...unless maybe you've got an off-board receiver in sync with the transmitter that looks for the scatter. It could be done but the sync would have to have nanosecond precision over long ranges. A difficult task indeed.

But that's just me.

LinkF16SimDude wrote:

IMHO, you can have an AESA radar with all the power you could ask for lookin' for a stealth jet. But if the jet's shaping and other LO features still redirects and scatters the energy away from the receiver, you're still not gonna see it...unless maybe you've got an off-board receiver in sync with the transmitter that looks for the scatter. It could be done but the sync would have to have nanosecond precision over long ranges. A difficult task indeed.

But that's just me.

yeah，this counts Rolling Eyes

sextusempiricus wrote:

Hey, billsnavycareer, all your base are belong to us?

just some discussion about tech，no offense I suppose Sad

Lightndattic wrote:

If the F-22 is operating in EMCON, how will the AWACS know where to concentrate it's beam? That's like trying to skan the sky for a distant aircraft using 200x binoculars. There's a tiny chance you'll see them, but otherwise you're scanning such a small amount of sky that it's counterproductive.

some experts guessed that the stealth capability of the raptor doesn't deal with metric wave radars effectively，due to most surveillance radars designed to use millimeter wave.While in common sense，metric wave radars do not have the ability to gain the stealthy tango’s precision location but can tell the general direction and range with error of 2 km。Such systems r usually ground-based。
Using DL connection, AWACS share the information and know where to watch.

Forum: General F-22A Raptor forum

AWACS wiht AESA finally beats raptor‘s stealth or not