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http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... er-373070/

US Marines hope to stand-up first operational F-35B squadron in November By: Dave Majumdar Washington DC

The US Marine Corps will stand up its first operational Lockheed Martin F-35B squadron this November if everything goes according to plan, a senior service official says. Prior to that, the USMC hopes to formally start training new F-35B pilots in October at Eglin AFB, Florida.

"VMFA-121 will now be the first squadron to stand-up in Yuma, [Arizona]," the senior official says. "They will stand down as an F/A-18D squadron in July once they return from deployment to Japan."

The desert base should get its first jet in November, the official says. But that is contingent upon starting up the F-35B training pipeline at Eglin, he says.

There are currently two USMC test pilots flying at the Florida base, but that number will soon increase.

"We should start getting additional pilots qualified in July," the official says. "Training will still be delayed until we get at least 120 hours of maturation flying, but I am hopeful we can start training students by October."

Once the additional USMC aviators are qualified in the F-35B, those pilots will be able to help bang out the 120 hours quickly.

"We will be close, but I think we "CAN DO" it," the official says.

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This would be the most inappropriate phrase I have ever seen in an aviation jet military context! Very Happy

"...those pilots will be able to help bang out..."

But anyway... GO MARINES! (just don't do it - bang out that is!). To be clear:

http://www.acronymfinder.com/to-Eject-F ... _OUT).html

Q. "What does BANG-OUT stand for?
A. to Eject From An Aircraft"

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A long article and worth a look. And segue to IOC from above (from article below):

"...Question from Journalist: When do you think that IOC for the aircraft will happen?

Answer: IOC comes with some basic requirements. And I can go through the definition of what the Marine Corps has decided what IOC is. How many airplanes mission systems that are up and running, et cetera. So in a sense, IOC is event-driven for us.

But what I can tell you is that in the fall of this year, we’re standing up our first operational squadron. Not the training squadron that’s in Eglin, but in the fall of this year, VMFA-121 in Yuma, Arizona is going to start receiving airplanes and they’re going to start flying training missions.

Not training new pilots, but flying training missions.

We look with the development of a block—block2b, as the core operational software. When that hits the street that’s a critical part of our IOC, and that point, all the other pieces will be in place.

And the Marine Corps will IOC by deploying a squadron first.

And then, six months later, we’re going to have the first F35Bs on the Marine Amphibious unit deployment on small deck ships
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A Marine Corps Perspective on the F-35: Getting on With It

http://www.sldinfo.com/a-marine-corps-p ... n-with-it/

"...At a roundtable on the F-35 and allies held at the Heritage Foundation on June 7, 2012, Colonel Kevin J. Killea? provided a Marine Corps perspective on the program...."
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"...The F35B is a critical component for the Marine/Air/Ground taskforce. As you may or may not know, the Marine/Air/Ground taskforce is comprised of air, ground and command elements and logistic elements. We are autonomous. We deploy independently and we have to operate that way.

And the reason that the F35B is so important is because it gives us the flexibility to be expeditionary. We are expeditionary by nature. And without an expeditionary tact air platform like the F35B, we can’t have that combined arms team.

Expeditionary means more than flexibility. It’s flexibility in basing that allows you to disperse your operations, thereby being more survivable. And the F35-B brings to the table the ability to operate from austere sites and short runways. Or even runways that we can create with internal resources.

There are ten times as many 3,000-foot runways in the world as there are 8,000-foot runways. And if you think about that and the ability to operate from the sea as well, you can see the flexibility in the expeditionary nature that the F35-B will help us bring to the fight.

What are the advantages that the F-35B brings to the fight?

It combines the expeditionary attack and basing flexibility of the Harrier with the performance of a multirole fighter like the F18.

And it is far superior to both of those aircraft. Those aircraft are fourth generation aircraft, as opposed to the fifth generation F35-B. The very low observable technology of the F-35B allows us to achieve that tactical advantage, and it will allow us to preserve that tactical advantage as we go into the 2020s...."
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"...Question: How good is this aircraft going to be at its close air support role?

Answer: All of the variants are going to share the same mission systems. The difference between the airplanes is purely how each service wants to operate them. Whether that’s off of a conventional land basing, sea basing with small decks for the Marine Corps and austere sites, which drives the B or carrier aviation for the Navy.

But the systems themselves are going to enhance the way that we do close air support because of the situational awareness that we’re getting from among other things the distributed aperture system on the airplane.

The ability to detect and identify is better. And identification is the key there. And the ability to seamlessly talk—not just with a single forward air controller that’s on the ground, but to share the information with the blue force network, if you will, that’s on the ground is huge. To say that the time to respond would be shortened, would be an understatement.

It will be a leap ahead based on the ability to integrate the digital integration of those forces...."

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"The desert base (MCAS Yuma, Arizona) should get its first jet in November"

So far (mid-Jun) in 2012 LRIP 3 FW has two AF-20, 21 yet to fly. Eglin has six LRIP 2 "Bee"s and FW has flown three LRIP 3 "Bee"s with one for the UK. The last "Bee" to fly BF-14, had the VM-09 side number. Smile That leaves FW with six LRIP 3 "Bee"s left to fly with one for the UK. Of the five LRIP 3 "Bee"s left VMFA-121 may be due, how many? Question
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And it will be operational on an LHA in just 1 year from now?
That is fast!

When is the first weapon firing test I wonder?
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megasun wrote:
...When is the first weapon firing test I wonder?


http://www.navair.navy.mil/index.cfm?fu ... mp;id=4976

"Apr 18, 2012; More weapons testing on the F-35B and F-35C carrier variant is ongoing at Naval Air Station Patuxent River. Current test events including pit drops, captive carry and instrumented weapons environmental flights, lead up to flight separation testing scheduled for later this year."
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Neptune's analysis of the numbers is interesting. If LRIP 4 contains 14 F-35B's coupled with the 5 yet to fly from LRIP 3 then the total is 19. If there are 9 Bee's assigned so far to VMAT-501 I'd would assume that the training unit would get one or three more for a total of 10 or 12. That would leave between 16 and 18 for VMFA-121 to be delivered in the next year or so. Does anyone know what the planned PAA is for these units? The same would apply for the F-35A. With the 31st TES getting the "OT" marked jets already when will we see the "HL" marked ones. IIRC the 31st is to have 8 jets. Should be something to keep the forum discussing for a while.
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Did this happen according to schedule? We have an operational squadron training/operating right now, instead of just testing? And what else after that is the official "IOC" waiting for?
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Using tried and true tested BLOCK 2B Software and all that entails will be one condition of IOC for the USMC but not for the others (BLOCK 3). This condition entails a lot.

Lockheed: F-35’s Major Problems Whittled To 1(NAVY TIMES 10 OCT 11) Dave Majumdar http://hrana.org/news.asp#Lockheed
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“...If all goes well, F-35B should be arriving at Eglin Air Force Base, Fla., in November, Robling said. But, he added, the earlier delays may keep the Marines from their goal of flying the F-35B with Block 2B software next year.

"I am not locking into any Initial Operational Capability (IOC) date because it is event-driven," Robling said. "I told Congress that a 2012 date was not likely, that a 2014 date was more likely but due to budget constraints, software development, etc., that date could move to 2015. We would obviously like to IOC as early as we can once Software 2B is approved, training is complete, aircraft are delivered and the logistic support package is ready for deployment."

Robling is adamant that he is not committing to 2015, as other media have reported. "I did not give a firm date & believe the time frame to be event-driven," he said. The Air Force & Navy declined to comment.”

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USMC hope to stand-up first operational F-35B squadron in Nov by Dave Majumdar 15 June 2012
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“The US Marine Corps will stand up its first operational Lockheed Martin F-35B squadron this November [2012] if everything goes according to plan, a senior service official says. Prior to that, the USMC hopes to formally start training new F-35B pilots in October at Eglin AFB, Florida.

"VMFA-121 will now be the first squadron to stand-up in Yuma, [Arizona]," the senior official says. "They will stand down as an F/A-18D squadron in July once they return from deployment to Japan."

The desert base should get its first jet in November, the official says. But that is contingent upon starting up the F-35B training pipeline at Eglin, he says. There are currently two USMC test pilots flying at the Florida base, but that number will soon increase.

"We should start getting additional pilots qualified in July," the official says. "Training will still be delayed until we get at least 120 hours of maturation flying, but I am hopeful we can start training students by October."

Once the additional USMC aviators are qualified in the F-35B, those pilots will be able to help bang out [QUE? unfortunate word choice] the 120 hours quickly.

"We will be close, but I think we can do it," the official says.”

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... er-373070/

GRAPHIC of Software BLOCKs from: www.dtic.mil/ndia/2010armament/TuesdayL ... ayward.pdf (4.2Mb)

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delvo wrote:
Did this happen according to schedule? We have an operational squadron training/operating right now, instead of just testing? And what else after that is the official "IOC" waiting for?
Thanks to concurrency, it would seem that the line between testing and training has blurred somewhat. Whether that's good or bad remains to be seen. As for IOC (a rather arbitrary term), that will probably creep up on us slowly over the next few years. Were this China or Russia, IOC probably would have been declared last year; after all, as long as they have so many planes flying regularly, who's to know if they're actually combat ready or not?
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lookieloo wrote:
Thanks to concurrency, it would seem that the line between testing and training has blurred somewhat.
Still, the Marines were saying they wanted to do something different with this squadron that they were going to call "operational". So did that happen? The expected time for it to happen was months ago.

(This question came up because of South Korea; their new fighter program is supposed to begin acquiring planes next year, which would be before USAF's IOC date, unless SK gets delayed. I still would have thought at least USMC would declare F-35s operational before any foreign country does, but then the difference between IOC and having "an operational squadron" came up, along with the question of how many other countries will not wait as long as USAF...)
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'delvo' I'm not sure what you mean - however the USMC have played fast and loose with the word 'operational' which they freely admit and qualify usually when that word is used by their spokespersons - especially when 'operational' was used when the first "operational" YUMA squadron was stood up. I think it was incorrect of them to use that term but not my business really. I find the USMC mangle words at every opportunity - inventing new terms freely along with their indecipherable acronyms. Very Happy Artlcles on this forum point to the 'operational' term controversy etc.

Threads and topics are everywhere - hence usefulness of search function here. Here is a place to start:

Video: Marine Corps Welcomes First F-35B Aircraft to Yuma

http://www.f-16.net/f-16_forum_viewtopi ... rt-15.html

Scroll down to "Military gets first F-35 operational squadron
Supersonic stealth jet in development for three U.S. services
by Gretel C. Kovach 17 Nov 2012"
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ON next page is:
Pratt & Whitney Congratulates U.S. Marine Corps for World's First F-35B Lightning II Operational Squadron
MARINE CORPS AIR STATION, YUMA, Ariz., Tuesday, November 20, 2012
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USMC stands-up first operational F-35B squadron; operational testing in 2015 By: Dave Majumdar 20 Nov 2012
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OR on next page:
VMFA-121 becomes first operational F-35 squadron, Marines find ALIS workaround Dave Majumdar Nov 21, 2012

Seems to me that Majumdar likes to use 'operational' also but I'm going to stop now. Very Happy

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"...F-35B
Per the revised Sept 16/10 program plan, the USMC’s VMA-332 in Yuma, AZ must have 10 F-35Bs equipped with Block IIB software, with 6 aircraft capable of austere and/or ship-based operations, and all aircraft meeting the 7g and 50-degree angle of attack specifications, in order to declare Initial Operational Capability.

Flight testing began in 2009, and IOC was expected by December 2012, but flight testing fell way behind thanks to a series of technical delays. By 2013, the first operational planes were fielded to the USMC at Yuma, AZ. The USMC is currently aiming for a 2015 IOC, but it would involve just Block 2B software loads that will limit the F-35B’s combat capability. Even then, the Pentagon’s 2012 DOT&E report isn’t grounds for software schedule optimism. Planes with full Block 3 initial combat capability are unlikely to be fielded before 2018...."

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/cat ... ying/feed/

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Pilots prep F-35s for active duty 09 Apr 2013 By Terry Milewski, CBC News
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"'Not a paper airplane,' says marine commander...

...the first corps of pilots to be trained on Lockheed Martin's F-35 is packing in as many hours as they can in a bid to show that the plane is ready — or soon will be. By "ready," they mean ready for active service in combat and, by "soon," they mean 2015 — or, at least, the Marine Corps does.

Other services expect it will take longer — but the marines already have their hands on 13 of the jets, while the U.S. Air Force has only nine. And they like them.

"It's not a paper airplane," says the marine commander at Eglin, Lt.-Col. David Berke.

"We fly 'em all the time. We're flying forty sorties a week around here, just in my squadron alone."..."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2 ... ilots.html

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This video has the text more or less of the article immediately above here...

VIDEO F-35 test flights The National | Apr 9, 2013
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"Terry Milewski gets a rare look inside the highly classified F-35 stealth fighter program"

http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/Politics/ID/2374751666/

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