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YAK-141 http://youtu.be/FImGNSvtkUU vertical takeoff and landing

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Don't forget this Yak-141 flight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojUSEkF6 ... re=related

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The XFV-12 was a mess. It couldn't make enough thrust for vertical lift. F-35 haters do not know what they are talking about when they say the F-35B is crap.
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I can think of a number of reasons for push-back against the F-35:
- Various people that want their country's aircraft to be seen as better
- Gamers that inevitably prefer combat vehicles with maximized individual capabilities regardless of cost
- Anti-military types that will look for any excuse to shoot down a program
- certain special interests that are invested in alternatives to F-35
- individuals who are personally offended by multi-role aircraft and/or design compromises
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Just don't listen to the media they are biased against the f-35.
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SpudmanWP wrote:
Don't forget this Yak-141 flight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojUSEkF6 ... re=related


or this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47F1S8Fd3qI

or this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTm-uehVOGk
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tacf-x wrote:
The vertical lift fan idea isn't new either. Just look at the XFV-12.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFV-12


The russian YAK-141 also tested the lift fan.
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No it did not. The Yak-141 had two additional jet engines (RKBM RD-41 turbofans) in place of where the F-35B's shaft-driven lift fan is located.

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count_to_10 wrote:
I can think of a number of reasons for push-back against the F-35:
- Various people that want their country's aircraft to be seen as better
- Gamers that inevitably prefer combat vehicles with maximized individual capabilities regardless of cost
- Anti-military types that will look for any excuse to shoot down a program
- certain special interests that are invested in alternatives to F-35
- individuals who are personally offended by multi-role aircraft and/or design compromises


My god...you hit the nail on the head Smile.
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count_to_10 wrote:
I can think of a number of reasons for push-back against the F-35:
- Various people that want their country's aircraft to be seen as better
- Gamers that inevitably prefer combat vehicles with maximized individual capabilities regardless of cost
- Anti-military types that will look for any excuse to shoot down a program
- certain special interests that are invested in alternatives to F-35
- individuals who are personally offended by multi-role aircraft and/or design compromises
Some more:
- People who view military equipment primarily not as a way of defending one's country, but as a way to provide economic stimulus to one's country.
- People who are "target fixated" on one aspect of the F-35 and do not look at the system as a whole.
- People who fail to realize that the high Total Lifetime cost ($1.5 trillion) is in THEN YEAR dollars covering around 55 years of use.
- People who fail to realize that the F-35 replaces several 4th gen aircraft types (F-16, A-10, AV-8B, A-6, F-18C/D/E/F, F-15, F-4, F-111, AMX, Tornado, etc) and augments the F-22.

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I don't know, Spud. Those sound more like means than motivations.

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