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hb_pencil - you're right, I shouldn't have included Russia in that list as a country with the platforms. What is correct is that Russia is developing a broader technology base than the US. (And seems willing to sell that to anyone who comes by)

Also, the US has robust funding for SEAD/DEAD? If I recall correctly, the USAF doesn't have a modern airborne strike jammer, it has to go cap in hand to the Navy to get some jamming support. (though this area is probably the ripest for black programs).

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arkadyrenko wrote:

hb_pencil - you're right, I shouldn't have included Russia in that list as a country with the platforms. What is correct is that Russia is developing a broader technology base than the US. (And seems willing to sell that to anyone who comes by)

Are you really going to suggest that Russia is developing more weapon systems than the United States?

I suggest you read my post earlier about the really poor state of Russian military R&D. SAMs is probably one of the best areas, and its still nowhere close to the level of funding and development the US pours into surface to air missile development in the west. Furthermore the quality of personnel in this area is rapidly declining. A large proportion of russian scientists are over retirement age, and it has serious difficulties in attracting young hires.

arkadyrenko wrote:

Also, the US has robust funding for SEAD/DEAD? If I recall correctly, the USAF doesn't have a modern airborne strike jammer, it has to go cap in hand to the Navy to get some jamming support. (though this area is probably the ripest for black programs).

Uhh, since 1997 jamming aircraft are considered joint assets, with AF crews working on Navy planes. The Obama administration has added I believe four new Growler Squadrons by 2015, and the Next Generation Jamming program has been moved up by two years in order to expedite its in-service date. Then there is the multiples of decoy aircraft and jamming drones coming online (MALD-J)

Really the biggest hole is the stand off jammers, which died with the B-52 being cut a few years ago.

Last edited by haavarla on Mar 29, 2012 - 01:41 PM; edited 6 times in total

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Quite right, the Russian ariforce is in a pityful state and nothing looks to be changing either. I don't think any war planners in the Pentagon even care about Russia anymore, I mean whats the threat consist of, a handful of broken Migs, 3 Su-35's and 9 or 10 working bombers. all of which have barely trained crews.
China is, or rather will be the only peer rival to America in the forseable future, nuclear war aside of course.

Pls do not spice up the fact with your biased point of view..
What handfull of Migs?
Did you forget the four Su-30M2 and 12 Su-27SM3 produced last year.
The 34 Mig-29SMT are not a handfull of broken migs..
Read here: http://www.16va.be/19_gviap_eng_part3.html
In 2011 these pilots got 111 on average flying hour, with plans to increase it up to 140hour, it may not happend next year but its increasing no doubt.

By the end of this year we'll see six more Su-35S operational, and eight+ Su-34 and two Su-30SM for state trials.
I'm not sure when the RuN get the Mig-29K, but as soon as the IN get the last of their order. Imo this or next year.
While this is not a whole lot, its a start.
And it is a damn nice re-armamnet plan!

Why do so many poster mix in what the VVS looked like in the late 90s-2000 and the VVS status today.

Everyone with half a brain can see the VVS will rise to the Future challange.

Signed Contracts for new jets:
4 Su-30M2 KnAAPO (contract fulfilled last year)
12 Su-27SM3 KnAAPO (contract fulfilled last year)
96 Su-35S KnAAPO (current number is 48, but 48 more will be ordered)
124 Su-34 NAPO
67 Yak-130 IAPO
30 Su-30SM IAPO
20 MiG-29K Sokol
4 MiG-29KUB Sokol
28 MiG-29SMT Sokol
6 MiG-29UB 9.53 Sokol
60 PAK FA KnAAPO (this is just for version with stage one engines, and before 2020)
= 451

Upgraded planes:
48 Su-27SM Completed
100 MiG-31BM half completed now(til 2020)
130 Su-25SM/SM3
12 Tu-160M
x Tu-22M3M
x Su-24M2
= 330 +

New helicopters:
97 Mi-28N OAO Rosvertol
140 Ka-52 Progress
30 Mi-35M OAO Rosvertol
x Mi-8 versions
15 Mi-26 OAO Rosvertol
= 282+

Pentagon, i'm sure hope you are watching Smile

But seriously, China are the future rival, not Russia. But this is purly out of Political development.. if Mit Romney doesn't win and lay waste to the current US-Russian good relationship..

VVS are behind USAF no doubt.
But as of now upgraded A-50U are entering the sceene, and with more landbased Voronezh radar station to form the new missile defence for Russias space and airspace. It should be completed by 1016.
More important it will enhance the Russian battle space picture and network capability, making it much more effective than the current status.

haavarla wrote:

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Quite right, the Russian ariforce is in a pityful state and nothing looks to be changing either. I don't think any war planners in the Pentagon even care about Russia anymore, I mean whats the threat consist of, a handful of broken Migs, 3 Su-35's and 9 or 10 working bombers. all of which have barely trained crews.
China is, or rather will be the only peer rival to America in the forseable future, nuclear war aside of course.

Pls do not spice up the fact with your biased point of view..
What handfull of Migs?
Did you forget the four Su-30M2 and 12 Su-27SM3 produced last year.
The 34 Mig-29SMT are not a handfull of broken migs..
Read here: http://www.16va.be/19_gviap_eng_part3.html
In 2011 these pilots got 111 on average flying hour, with plans to increase it up to 140hour, it may not happend next year but its increasing no doubt.

By the end of this year we'll see six more Su-35S operational, and eight+ Su-34 and two Su-30SM for state trials.
I'm not sure when the RuN get the Mig-29K, but as soon as the IN get the last of their order. Imo this or next year.
While this is not a whole lot, its a start.
And it is a damn nice re-armamnet plan!

Why do so many poster mix in what the VVS looked like in the late 90s-2000 and the VVS status today.

Everyone with half a brain can see the VVS will rise to the Future challange.

Signed Contracts for new jets:
4 Su-30M2 KnAAPO (contract fulfilled last year)
12 Su-27SM3 KnAAPO (contract fulfilled last year)
96 Su-35S KnAAPO (current number is 48, but 48 more will be ordered)
124 Su-34 NAPO
67 Yak-130 IAPO
30 Su-30SM IAPO
20 MiG-29K Sokol
4 MiG-29KUB Sokol
28 MiG-29SMT Sokol
6 MiG-29UB 9.53 Sokol
60 PAK FA KnAAPO (this is just for version with stage one engines, and before 2020)
= 451

Upgraded planes:
48 Su-27SM Completed
100 MiG-31BM half completed now(til 2020)
130 Su-25SM/SM3
12 Tu-160M
x Tu-22M3M
x Su-24M2
= 330 +

New helicopters:
97 Mi-28N OAO Rosvertol
140 Ka-52 Progress
30 Mi-35M OAO Rosvertol
x Mi-8 versions
15 Mi-26 OAO Rosvertol
= 282+

Pentagon, i'm sure hope you are watching Smile

But seriously, China are the future rival, not Russia. But this is purly out of Political development.. if Mit Romney doesn't win and lay waste to the current US-Russian good relationship..

It's good hardware, but not in large enough quantities (yet). A priority within the Russian government should be to combat corruption, so that a greater proportion of funds are used for procurement.

As for the standoff jamming argument, the 'joint' claim is politically-maneuvering

Fair enough SP, in two years time it will however look a lot better(more new units). Especial the Russian new Helos production have a good start.
But i dislike all the thrasing of VVS, it is unfounded and uncalled for..

May i just point out that USAF which are the largest in the world, have their plate full with problems of their own.
Further F-35 Delays, F-22 still grounded, They may need to fix older F-15/16 due to this. And on top of this the general Axe & cuts..

Never mind other nations like RAF.. Big No No

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