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I can understand some of the sceptical post here, but it will evedently show on the next two deliveries batches how many units come out.
By my accounts, the next batch of Su-34 should contain six units from NAPO.
A total of 12-14 in 2012 and 14-16 in 2013 etc etc.

Sinse there are no RuAF news thread on this forum i post it here.

http://www.irkut.com/en/news/press_rele ... p?id48=483

The Su-30SM for VVS will function as trainers for the Su-35S and Pak-Fa.

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haavarla wrote:

I can understand some of the sceptical post here, but it will evedently show on the next two deliveries batches how many units come out.
By my accounts, the next batch of Su-34 should contain six units from NAPO.
A total of 12-14 in 2012

12 -14 is overly optimistic when you consider the Su-34 programs background. We will see by the end of December, I will predict 5 new airframes this year at most, perhaps 6 at a push.
On another note though airframes mean little when the pilots only fly around 120 hours a year which is barely enough to stay current on the systems let alone explore tactics and develop and become an effective force. I'm not trying to mock Russias airforce either, just pointing out some nasty realities.

Fair enough.
There might be a good reason for Su-34 pilots to not get more hours for now.. too few aircrafts operational, so they have to make all pilots that are beeing tranfeered from Su-24 to Su-34 get their share.. Not an ideal situation.
There are about 10 operational Su-34 right now..
Be that as it may, VVS are in no rush, they will get the Su-34 Sq IOC at their leasure time. And that flying hours as well.

Here are an overview of newly contracted and partly delivered jets for VVS.
48 Su-35S(4 Delivered)
12 Su-27SM3(Delivered)
4 Su-30M2(Delivered)
20 MiG-29K
4 MiG29KUB
32+92 Su-34(10 Delivered)
30 Su-30SM
16 Su-25UBM

At last some official news about the long awaited AL-31FM2 engine performance.

http://www.salut.ru/ViewTopic.php?Id=1459

Test-bench and endurance tests will be accomplished before the end of 2012.

Now the neath thing about this engine if we compair it with Saturns 117S engine is that it require no internal or external rework of the airframe to install the FM2 engine.
This is not the case with the 117S engine which have a larger forward comp fan diameter(Su-35S airframe).

Also they state that it will improve in fuel consumption.

It is unclear if the max nominall thrust is 14.000kgf with a special setting for 14.500kgf, which can be engaged on the pilot command, or if max power setting is indeed 14.500kgf.

And also the increased tear & wear on the airframe itself due to more thrust. It should be some increase strenght on internal structure if you ask me.. if not the engine TBO may increase but the airframe total life may decrease..

wrightwing wrote:

haavarla wrote:

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It has also PESA targeting radar "with 370 km range" what unfortunately means its emissions will be spotted from...a thousand kilometers distance. In sum this plane in 2020s will be some kind of aerial clown but anyway Russians are not capable to develop really effective XXI century strike platform now. So I think against Caucasus guerrilla fighters and weak post-Soviet republics Su-34 will be enough but nothing more than that.

Oh.. where do i start..
First would you kindly name the system that would detect the Su-34 from a thousand km distance?
It must be quite something Smile

AWACS cover approx 500km around..

AWACS using active radar scanning cover that sort of range. ESM on the other hand can see even further, especially against a target that is emitting enough RF energy to see things 370km distant.

Pardon my ignorance but doesn't PESA stand for Passive Electronically Scanned Array? Wouldn't that mean it has a passive detection range of 370km? Or am I mistaken?

yep thats about right.
Don't think anyone have stated anything else.

haavarla wrote:

yep thats about right.
Don't think anyone have stated anything else.

Well the sentence I was referencing stated that it would be spotted from 1000KM by its emissions.

Since it's passive, doesn't it not produce emissions?

Well, that was not my post. I only challange it, cause i'm pretty sure any AWACS does not hace detection range of 1000km.. more like 1000km on Radius coverage.

Both Pasive and Active Radar produce emissions.
It depends on what mode and power you transmit on.
If you go down on power output, like on a LPI mode, you detection range also goes down.

haavarla wrote:

Well, that was not my post. I only challange it, cause i'm pretty sure any AWACS does not hace detection range of 1000km.. more like 1000km on Radius coverage.

Both Pasive and Active Radar produce emissions.
It depends on what mode and power you transmit on.
If you go down on power output, like on a LPI mode, you detection range also goes down.

Are the emissions created by passive radars related to detection or other tasks like communications and range finding?

haavarla wrote:

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It has a kitchen and a potty in the back.

For the 10000000th time, no it don't!

Yes, it does. Google is your friend. Wink

There are some pics of a toilet/potty way back at An airshow in Paris.
That was there due to the pilots request, but it was not something that comes as a standard kit on the Su-34.. get it?

I was at MAKS airshow, and i can tell you there are no easy way to the nearest Toilet, its so crowded. I can understand the Su-34 pilots wanted their own toilet.

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Are the emissions created by passive radars related to detection or other tasks like communications and range finding?

Good question.
I think we have to seperate Passive or a PESA radar from its date of design.
The Irbis-E radar is a Passive radar. But its a new radar, and does come with a whole range of different modes.

But i'm not sure how well any comunication gear is integrated to a Russian Fire and control Radar.
Range finding goes along the IFF process. Here the Fire and Control radar can get support from a whole range of other senors. GPS, IRIST, some kind of Recon equipment or pod..

Anyway, these are merely suggestions, i'm not qualified to answer your question on Radar Specs in military jets..

haavarla wrote:

There are some pics of a toilet/potty way back at An airshow in Paris.
That was there due to the pilots request, but it was not something that comes as a standard kit on the Su-34.. get it?

I was at MAKS airshow, and i can tell you there are no easy way to the nearest Toilet, its so crowded. I can understand the Su-34 pilots wanted their own toilet.

Got any sources?

Ken Duffey also known as Flankerman from UK, was inside the Su-34 in question at an Airshow. Think it was Paris or MAKS.
So was Flateric, an Russian dude, widely known around Aviation forum.
Both of them took pics inside that Su-34.

I know there exist photos somewhere, i've seen them years ago.
U could try google..?

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/sh ... ideo/page3

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Su-34 capability.