Forum: F-35 Lightning II

Tactical Flight Training Systems

http://etctacticalflight.com/simulators ... 0-for-f-35

I'm the guy on the right of your screen (alert and not alarmed): Twisted Evil

[the cool calm F-35 guy shooting and scooting - no pressure - let the missiles do the G pullin']

ATFS-400 Video 'Flight Training Without Physiological Stresses is NOT Flight Training':
http://www.youtube.com/v/ePEmIIsV3Ts

ATFS-400 PHOENIX for F-35

http://etctacticalflight.com/resources

I'm guessing this system has not been sold to the F-35 consortium?

Small PDF here: http://etctacticalflight.com/wp-content ... ochure.pdf

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"The ATFS-400 PHOENIX integrates a high fidelity, interchangeable, tactical aircraft cockpit with a state-of-the-art high performance “flyable” motion system. Its design enables the system to realistically simulate the cockpit, dynamic performance, mission systems and interactive elements of a specific type and model aircraft in any tactical environment.

Pilot inputs are processed by the ATFS-400 PHOENIX aircraft-specific aeromodel to simultaneously drive the virtual (sight and sound) cues and command the multi-axis high performance motion system to produce the correct inertial G forces, providing the physical stresses and sustained G forces experienced during combat maneuvers."

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could you imagine how freakin dizzy you would be when you get out of this thing after an hour and a half mission? Any one been to the fuge? that was like a 10 minute ride max and it jacked you up for 20-30 minutes after.

Hmmmm, as I recall ACM one could go a round or two with a BIG RED kangaroo afterwards - being so pumped with adrenalin. More than three ACM flights in one day of about 45 minutes duration and the groundcrew could pour you out of the A4G and mop up the remainder. Very Happy

Similar effect after a deck landing - especially at night - the CHIEF would tell new plane captains to stay away from the pilot until he had settled down and could speak coherently - not that that was NOT a problem anyway. Very Happy

Well...it's a nice proof-of-concept. Been wondering for years when someone would try this approach. And while it's certainly looks effective for small training loads, the amount of studs and studettes that will eventually be flowing thru the F-35 training centers may make a device like that cost-prohibitive. (but then again, in the context of the whole F-35 project, "cost prohibitive" has been dropped from the glossary. Wink

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When the training sites get fully spun up, especially the big ones like Eglin and Luke, the training load will prolly require between 4 and 6 F-35 full mission sims per site to start and maybe more as a follow-on as needed. You can maybe fit 4 "normal" sims in the same footprint as one ATFS. Try talking USAF into building facilities to house at least 4 of those beasts. Yeesh!

Quote:

'Flight Training Without Physiological Stresses is NOT Flight Training'

Well that may be, but USAF and our allies have had pretty good results with fixed base sims over the last 30-odd years, thank ya kindly. Wink

And having watched the vid of that sequence, I really don't think the yute is gonna look forward to being spun up to 7G+ for multiple engagements over a 1 or 1.5 hour sim block, no matter how good his/her AGSM is.

If this thing is every employed, I see it being used as the next step after the FMT phase, perhaps as a final sim checkride platform simulating a full-up real-world sortie.

I want one to play my flight sims in... Full Panoramic Display, real Gs. Heck, then I dont have to worry about the "G-effects" settings, I can turn them off and black out for real!

sprstdlyscottsmn wrote:

I want one to play my flight sims in... Full Panoramic Display, real Gs. Heck, then I dont have to worry about the "G-effects" settings, I can turn them off and black out for real!

Yeah, really!! I hate what seems like arbitrary G-LOC in video games. Actually feeling it would help a lot.

Forum: F-35 Lightning II

Potential? ATFS-400 Training for F-35?