Forum: Modern Military Aircraft

Hey everyone, my roomate sent me this link. It is a kick-a$$ tribute to the servicemen and women in combat and just a thrilling clip to watch. Enjoy it, pass it on, and never forget.

~mix

http://www.josephgoss.com/standdown.wmv

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Two thumbs way up!!! It'll give any enemy an idea of what to expect if they even contemplate blind-siding the USA again, either here or abroad. Twisted Evil

The juxtaposition of the hurt we incurred and the absolute sh*t storm we can and do unleash in return was a nice touch.

Great video. A little different video now. I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but.... it makes you think.

http://www.elchulo.net/files/pentagon.swf

click on the view flash movie link

Sorry, no explanation. Embarassed

This new video is about the 9/11 pentagon attacks.

Did you see the videos of the planes flying into the WTC?? the wings didnt shear off there. 2 explosions? 2 gas tanks... look im not going to get into it, many people died that day and talk like this does them no justice. Fact of the matter is, regardless of the pentagon, you cant deny that 3 planes with terrorists did crash and kill more ppl then at pearl harbor... to say it was conspiracy is to disgrace their legacy. THE END

The original video is great Very Happy

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Oh yeah, the original vid is great. And even from an abstract POV the conspiracy vid is well done too. Its just that being a part of 9-11 I won't stand for anyone, Americans especially, critisizing the events of the day or this country's subsequent actions.

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Its just that being a part of 9-11 I won't stand for anyone, Americans especially, critisizing the events of the day or this country's subsequent actions.

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I certainly did not mean to offend anyone. I too have been greatly involved in post 9/11 campaigns (OIF, ONE). I in NO way meant to belittle what happened. 4 planes did go down and lots of people died. It was truly a tragedy. However, just because of these feelings and emotions, I don't think that we should just except it for the way media told it. I was not there (NY,DC, PA) so I don't have a definite answer on the truth. I just want to be sure we, as a country, do the right things to prevent this from ever happening again. Once again, sorry if I offended anyone. Neutral

I liked the first video and believe we are on the right track.

No worries here, I certiantly didnt mean to accuse you personally of anything. I dont have first hand info on DC or PA, or even NYC up close and I am glad for that... seeing the sh*t storm in NYC from across the bridge was enough for a lifetime. I am usually a very outside-the-box thinker and i thought your vid was very well done and creative and raised some good points, however, i'd just didnt like accusing the gov't of anything as awful as the 9-11 attacks. Again, no offense here and thanks for the vid post!

~Mix

Ok, before I begin, let me just make a few points. One, I believe that this is the greatest country in the world. Two, nothing would satisfy me more than to serve this country which has given me so much. And three, I gave up politics years ago (I just didn't find the point of getting all fussed up over something I can't do anything about anyway). With that said, I don't, in any way, intend to offend anyone in any way whatsoever. I think that what our servicemen and women are doing right now is very honorable and I respect them very much. I also honor and respect those who have died throughout this war on terror. Nothing, be it a conspiracy by the government or a terrorist attack, will ever justify their deaths.

I give credit to whoever made those two videos. They were both really good. The first one reminded me of the horrenduous occurances of that tragic day. The second also brought up some really good points. I have heard some of these conspiracy theories before. Some actually have some credibility to them whereas others are outright incongruous. The truth of the matter is, however, that we will never really know what happened that day. Be you a liberal or a stringent conservative, it is impossible to know what really went down that day unless you actually witnessed it. Sure, that second video quoted people as saying that it could not have been a plane or whatnot, but who's to say that whoever made that video simply made up some quotes and some names to go with them? I don't know who the hell any of those people mentioned are, much less if they even exist. Notwithstanding, we cannot rule out the possibility that it really was a conspiracy. The truth is we just can't know.

So, with that said, let me continue. I was in no way offended by the second video and its claims. I myself happen to be a republican but I still believe that everyone is entitled to their own opinions and theories. However, I must admit that the first video did bother me somewhat. Initially, I was saddened to be reminded so vividly of that horrific day (I doubt there is an American who could see that and not be). But the second part kind of troubled me. I can understand how most people would see that and think "Wow! That's awesome! Good thing we got those bastards!" I myself used to have that mentality. But that video made it seem as if war is a cool thing. It makes it seem fun and exciting. I myself have never been in war, but yet I am fully aware of how awful it can be. Now, I'm not saying that I oppose the war on terrorism or anything like that, but something that I think we as Americans fail to comprehend is the fact that innocent people die in war. Of course, that is an inevitable aspect of any military conflict. However, I think that as Americans we fail to realize how awful it really is. Sure it seems cool to see all these cool fighter jets and artillery going off and all that, but when you're on the receiving end of those bullets and bombs, and you did nothing do deserve it, it's not so cool. If you were to come home one day to find the destroyed remnants of your home and the charred corpses of your family, it would be difficult to comply with the war. I understand why trailmix thought that the second video was disrespectful to those who have died in this war. Althought I do not necessarily agree with him, I see his point of view. But I also think that the first video was disrespectful to those innocent civilians who have lost their lives in this war as well. We unfortunately have the tendency to not care about who else dies in this war because they are not Americans. Regardless, however, they are still people, and they have also paid the ultimate price for what terrorists have done.

So I guess my point throughout this post is that we should be more considerate of others. Please do not barrage me with a series of insults and claims of being unappreciative or un-American, because those claims could not be more false. I simply wanted to bring that point up to everybody. I would really like it if you guys responded and presented your opinions, but just please be respectful. The last thing I want is to be arguing over politics or have other people think that I'm unappreciative of this country. I hope that all goes well and that we may always prosper as a nation. Thank you.

Well said and a terrific point. I think a lot of people are lost on that side of war. Thanks for the comment!

~mix

FutureFlyer06, thanks for making such a well written, clear post!

First off, I want to say that I agree with you about everyone having their own opinion and that they should be able to express it freely. I think you have given us a great example of just how to do it right!

I can completely understand your point of view here. No sane person really wants war. War is nasty, messy, and very painful. I think we can all agree on that. With that having been said, I would like to defend the first video on a few differen levels. Please bear in mind that I don't take your post as an attack, I'm just using the terminology that comes to mind Wink

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That first video brought back a lot of memories. I've posted my recollection of that terrible day in the What's your 9-11 story? thread. I still get a cold feeling and experience a desire to retaliate when I think about that day. I personally think that video should be shown more to remind people of just what happened. I don't want to see people become complacent.

Now about the last part of that video... There's a couple of reasons I disagree with your opinion about it being disrespectful and possibly (my words) the "wrong thing to do" if you will. It's a morale boost for one thing. People, and not just people in the military, can look to it and say to themselves, "We ARE doing something!" There's nothing more that I'd like than to take everyone responsible for those attacks into custody alive. I will, however, settle for getting them at room temperature if that's what's required.

There's something else to consider - the "Warrior Spirit" that all fighting men must have. I don't care if someone's an E-1 Marine on the ground with a rifle or a USAF officer in an F-16, it is absolutely necessary that they have a fighting spirit! War isn't pretty, it's not pleasant, and it's definitely not comfortable (just ask a Viper driver after a long sortie or a crew dawg after a long, hot day on the ramp in the "sand box"), but it's an unfortunate reality that war is still necessary sometimes. When it is necessary, we need people with that fighting spirit to defend those who can't defend themselves.

Even those who have that fighting spirit would much rather punch holes in the sky and never fire a real warshot in anger. I think that videos like this one are helpful to take people's mind off the grim realities of war. If anyone thought only of how aweful war is, then nobody would be willing to stand up against agression. We have learned through history that appeasement doesn't work. Appeasement is the only other option I see aside from apathy, which is an even worse option in my opinion.

To sum it all up, I think this video is a celebration of those people who are willing to put their lives on the line to protect me, my friends, my family, and my way of life. Please believe me when I say that I don't think we've lost sight of the tragedy of innocent civilians losing their lives in war. It's my opinion that the consequences of not fighting outweigh all the costs of taking action.

My deepest sympathies go out to all of the innocent civilians who have lost their lives in the course of all of Mankind's wars and those who inevitably will in the future. I think General Patton had it right when he said, "War is hell." I also think that everyone needs a morale boost and knowing that the people who wish harm on me, my friends, and my family are rapidly assuming room temperature makes me feel quite a bit better!

I hope I haven't offended you, FutureFlyer06. I've done my best to be respectful and I thank and commend you for expressing your opinion in such a diplomatic manner. I hope you and everyone else here will forgive me if this post is a little long and slightly rambling, but it's late and it's been a long day. Have a good night, everyone, and I look forward to all the responses!

Parrothead out.

WOW! I must say we've had some excellent posts. I totally realize what FutureFlyer06 is saying, but I tend to go along with Parrothead. Off Topic

I am about to make my second trip to he sandbox (in 4 weeks) in the last year. From my experiences the first time, I must definitely say that it was a rush and a boost of morale to watch the targeting pod tapes after a bombing mission. I say this because for the most part, we were not dropping bombs. The sheer presence of our F-16's flying overhead was enough to quiet the enemies in most cases. I know that everybody on our base wanted to see the jets come back empty every time. Although disheartening to maintenance crews back at the base, if we weren't dropping bombs, it meant OUR soldiers were not being killed and OUR soldiers didn't need that extra help. It is funny how good things for the mission can be blind-sided by our personal desires for destruction. I guess what I'm trying to say is, it was hard to see that all our effort back at the base was making a difference, when indeed it was. On Topic

As far as the video is concerned, I do not feel that we are doing senseless bombing. The images I saw were precision attacks against terrorist cells. We are definitely doing the right thing over there.

Taco44 out.

Forum: Modern Military Aircraft

You have GOT to see this video!