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http://en.ria.ru/mlitary_news/20121016/176668178.html

Quote:

...India will now order just 144 of the fighters, all single-seat models, Browne said, down from an originally-intended batch of around 200, including 48 two-seaters.
The original figure, of 200 aircraft, would have been possible if the aircraft was ready by 2017, with the first batch coming from Russian production lines. But India now wants to take on a greater share of development, pushing back the production date for the Indian variant, which is likely to be 2020 at the earliest...

I thought haavarla was keeping us informed on this project. Surprised this news got past him. Wink

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Reading that article, there is lots of vauge statements..
Even the Title in this thread is incorrect.
Like the vendor 50/50 by Sukhoi and HAL. It is ofcourse the FGFA, which they still haven't signed any contract on.

And it look like the mainstay of IAF 5th Gen fleet will infact be right of the KnAAPO production line; T-50's.
I don't doubt there will come an reduction on the former intended numbers. It seems to go that way on other 5th Gen fighter programs lately.
Anyway, up to now there have only been signed a 'letter of intent' bla bla bla, and what seems to have been reduced moslty at this point is the Indian two seater version FGFA, and not the singel seater T-50.
Must be due to the fact it is so far into the future and nobody know how the two seater version will progress at this point.

haavarla wrote:

Reading that article, there is lots of vauge statements..
Even the Title in this thread is incorrect.

Russian source: seems pretty straightforward to me. A better explanation of why the order was chopped would have been nice. Trouble in paradise maybe?

Try better.. what is the difference between Pak-Fa program and the FGFA program? Wink

What people doesn't get, is this;
Even up to this very day, Indias participation and funding on the Pak-Fa program is zippo, zero and nada!

Atleast have the cool to wait for the IAF contract being singned, and then lets come back to this.

Whatever makes you feel better. I would suggest taking a look at some of the Indian defense boards. Their enthusiasm for Russian hardware has been tailing off rapidly since the *firebrick incident*.

There are a lot better ways to insulate than firebrick. Let an American company come in and do it right. The sad thing is the Russians probably did it right, but what does the Indian Navy know? It was probably something one of their guys screwed up.

1st503rdsgt wrote:

Whatever makes you feel better. I would suggest taking a look at some of the Indian defense boards. Their enthusiasm for Russian hardware has been tailing off rapidly since the *firebrick incident*.

Great logic and comparison there!
Someone screws up on the late carrier deal. So ofcourse it must be that way over at KnAAPO and the Pak-Fa program too..

haavarla wrote:

1st503rdsgt wrote:

Whatever makes you feel better. I would suggest taking a look at some of the Indian defense boards. Their enthusiasm for Russian hardware has been tailing off rapidly since the *firebrick incident*.

Great logic and comparison there!
Someone screws up on the late carrier deal. So ofcourse it must be that way over at KnAAPO and the Pak-Fa program too..

Who said anything about logic? Tis a matter of perception with India, and it's not just the carrier deal that has them upset with Russian hardware (feel free to check Indian Defense Forum for yourself). Whatever the case, you should take up the issue with someone who actually cares. None this is really a shock, and I'm not holding my breath.

1st503rdsgt wrote:

haavarla wrote:

Reading that article, there is lots of vauge statements..
Even the Title in this thread is incorrect.

Russian source: seems pretty straightforward to me. A better explanation of why the order was chopped would have been nice. Trouble in paradise maybe?

Well, then i suggest you re-read that article and try to understand it better.
The article says the unit cost and that they(HAL) want a large share of the FGFA from Sukhoi is an issue
But Sukhoi hasn't started on the two seater T-50 yet. Infact VVS will rely on the Su-30SM and Yak-130 for training their pilots.
It is clear that VVS only want a small numbers of the two seaters T-50.
I would say the two seater T-50 is delayed, so that makes the IAF FGFA allso delayed, and derby lots of questions on development cost, fly away cost, R&D share and KIT production over at HAL.. and finaly full license production.

We don't know anything about the contract yet. They are still negotiating it.

My 0.02$ is that the two seater T-50 will be produced in such small numbers for VVS that it is a possibility that it might not be developed and produced at all.
What is the point anyway.. if India want FGFA in the recent small numbers suggested in this article, no wonder it will be very costly.. this doesn't add up.

Hell, IAF might just end up with the Russian singel seater T-50, and have to order more trainer variant of MKI.. wait! India will sign a new deal on the super MKI before year end, could i actual be right on this?

haavarla wrote:

1st503rdsgt wrote:

haavarla wrote:

Reading that article, there is lots of vauge statements..
Even the Title in this thread is incorrect.

Russian source: seems pretty straightforward to me. A better explanation of why the order was chopped would have been nice. Trouble in paradise maybe?

Well, then i suggest you re-read that article and try to understand it better

I read the article just fine; stop acting so butthurt. If you're intent on defending the honor of Russia's defense industry, you need to be lecturing the potential customers because I don't really care that much.

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