Forum: General F-22A Raptor forum

The f-22 is a clear in terms of speed , range and technology but on the other side it is expensive and hard to maintain.

Couldnt agree more with you there. The F-22 does about 1,550 mph and the SU-35 is said to do 1,450 mph. Also IMHO in battle I want a plane like the SU-35 because it's more then potent if facing a country like Iran or even china and it has a pretty decent turn around time. But for deep interdiction missions I want an F-22.

Hi falcon,

I confess I didn't vote on your survey as I usually refrain from such 'who would win' surveys, etc., but it will always provoke an interesting convo nonetheless.

As far as the 'cost' of a future operational Su-35S goes, nobody really knows yet. The 'cheap' prices you might be referring to can pretty much be nullified as older estimates from years back, perhaps similar to how former F-35 estimates were being advertised as being cheap. The Su-35S however should actually come in pretty expensive in relative terms - both as an acquisition cost and especially per Life cycle costs - once it's finally mature after completing operational evaluation tests and ready for mass production.

No doubt this bird should be awesome and a major threat to whomever it is intending to intimidate, but it will most likely be a monster to maintain and operate too. Those engines will be sucking serious fuel and the overall complexity of this 'heavy' aircraft system will surely require comprehensive and broad scale maintenance.

Other than that, it looks capable to be a truly dominating next-gen platform all around, systems wise and performance. With respect to 'how it can turn vs an F-22', I'd agree with you that it would likely win in an hypothetical 'Red Flag 2015' gun fight vs an F-22... at least in low to medium altitude. It has demonstrated what it is capable of performing and very few aircraft would seem to be able to match it in extreme cases of ACM. So basically, yes, the Su-35 would seem to out-turn even an F-22 at least in low altitude but then again, an F-15C with a centerline tank appears to out-turn an F-22 as well (by about 2 seconds for a low-altitude minimum radius turn)... at least according to what video on the internet displays. my 2 cents for u.

Neither of those speed figures are tactically significant, as they wouldn't be of use in combat. The F-22's supercruise speed/range however would be a significant advantage. As far as sortie rates- F-22s have demonstrated high sortie rates, so I'm not really sure what sort of advantages an Su-35 would have here.

Boring... a$$... fanboy-thread.