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cola
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 Posted: Oct 20, 2011 - 10:04 AM
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SpudmanWP wrote:
Let's see:
29.3k OEW
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43k max thrust F135
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1.27 T/W ratio... sounds good to me.
Sounds great, but how do you figure you'll fly a 7 min. demo, with 3 min. worth of fuel, in AB? |
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Posted: Oct 20, 2011 - 10:12 AM
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| OK, moving it back to the F-16 versus XYZ forum... |
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Posted: Oct 20, 2011 - 10:32 AM
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johnwill wrote:
Why don't we load up both airplanes with two 2000 lb bombs and 18,000 lb of fuel, then compare agility? Or speed? Or max g? Or max roll rate? Or range?
Fair comeback, johnwill. If fully fueled (F-16 w/ 2x CFT) and w/ 2 AAM and 2 2k lb'ers each, F-35 should out cruise and and likely out air-show the F-16 imho.
I guess the point being, if in a maxed-out ACM configuration, say 2 AAM each and clean w/ relevant internal fuel load, then some of us at least will be anticipating that video some day - displaying what an F-35 can do when pushing the edge...
But one might ponder too while we're at it... what handling and performance would look like between an F-16XL+ (upgraded 32k thrust engine) and F-35 - but each loaded with 6 AAM and 12 500lb'ers  |
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Posted: Oct 20, 2011 - 10:35 AM
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| On that topic, does anyone know of any flanker displays with weapons + tanks? I can't seem to find any. |
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Posted: Oct 20, 2011 - 11:10 AM
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munny wrote:
On that topic, does anyone know of any flanker displays with weapons + tanks? I can't seem to find any.
Dude, we all know that the Russian TVC aircraft are airshow tumblers meant to fool dumba$$ 3rd world $itheads into buying Sukhoi. They can jump around all they want, but they can't out-turn an expanding-rod warhead. Fact is, whoever sees the other guy first is probably gonna win. You absolutely can't judge an aircraft by an airshow display. |
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Posted: Oct 20, 2011 - 04:25 PM
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cola wrote:
SpudmanWP wrote:
Let's see:
29.3k OEW
4.5k Airshow Fuel (25% internal)
43k max thrust F135
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1.27 T/W ratio... sounds good to me.
Sounds great, but how do you figure you'll fly a 7 min. demo, with 3 min. worth of fuel, in AB?
Seeing as how the entire display won't require afterburner usage, I don't see what the problem is. |
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johnwill
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Posted: Oct 20, 2011 - 06:39 PM
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geogen wrote:
johnwill wrote:
Why don't we load up both airplanes with two 2000 lb bombs and 18,000 lb of fuel, then compare agility? Or speed? Or max g? Or max roll rate? Or range?
Fair comeback, johnwill. If fully fueled (F-16 w/ 2x CFT) and w/ 2 AAM and 2 2k lb'ers each, F-35 should out cruise and and likely out air-show the F-16 imho.
I guess the point being, if in a maxed-out ACM configuration, say 2 AAM each and clean w/ relevant internal fuel load, then some of us at least will be anticipating that video some day - displaying what an F-35 can do when pushing the edge...
But one might ponder too while we're at it... what handling and performance would look like between an F-16XL+ (upgraded 32k thrust engine) and F-35 - but each loaded with 6 AAM and 12 500lb'ers
At 72, I'm hoping to live long enough to see an F-35 airshow, clean or loaded.
No fair bringing up the XL, as you well know. |
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Posted: Oct 20, 2011 - 09:36 PM
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| Hopefully the Marines will do a serious airshow routine to commemorate their IOC in 2014/15. |
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Posted: Oct 21, 2011 - 04:30 AM
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At 72, I'm hoping to live long enough to see an F-35 airshow, clean or loaded.
I'm just hoping to live to be 72. 
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johnwill
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Posted: Oct 21, 2011 - 06:53 AM
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OL, here's hoping you far surpass 72, as I have every intention of doing.
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Posted: Oct 22, 2011 - 04:24 AM
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geogen
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Posted: Oct 22, 2011 - 05:29 AM
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| I'd propose a meet up at F-35's first public airshow. God speed. |
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Posted: Oct 23, 2011 - 03:39 AM
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Posted: Oct 23, 2011 - 04:14 AM
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Posted: Oct 23, 2011 - 04:22 AM
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I'm only 32, but starting to wonder if I'll live to see the F-35 at an airshow. Sorry, I know better than that, but the news just seems so bad on all fronts. Seems that money has gotten tight just in time for all our cold war stuff to wear out. Wanna be real depressed? Just take a look at the Navy's fleet/ship-building status.  |
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