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Okay First off I want to say I'm sorry for posting this, but I just have to get it off my chest.

I went into the F-16blk15 file and changed weight to 16000 to represent EARLY F-16s, I then changed the thrust ratings to those of the F100-PW-229, and tweaked the CLmax to simulate the FLCS allowing 30 deg AoA (based on the HFFM document) and took my Super Viper into a gunfight with 4 F-22s. The added lift made a little difference, but the HUGE increase in T/W allowed me to use more vertical maneuvering to escape Raptor B, C, and D after I beat down Raptor A's energy to get the kill.

I am NOT saying that it represents any REAL ability, just wanted to share a fun fantasy turned into a fun 15 minute dogfight.

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Looks like you had a score to settle!

Do they all fly in formation behind you? Smile

I used to whip the F-22A using the standard F-16AM (guns only) - but that was 1 v 1 and was not always easy.

In AF i would put the Typhoon, F-22A, and MiG-29 in difficulty order, their FMs seemed too good to be true ...but cant vouch for any accuracy.

Actually slightly OT but the USAF did a very similar thing in the 60s by sticking a J79-19 into the lighter F-104A!!

Sounds like a rocket!

I did have a score to settle actually. I was tired of getting hosed by Raptors left and right even in 1 on 1 matches. Best I did in a gunfight without modding my plane was a Blk52 Viper against 2 ace MiG-29s and 2 ace Su-27. Took a long time, all of my fuel (had 600lbs left) and all of my ammo, and technically one of the Su-27s landed a damaged plane.

And no they did not fly in formation behind me, but 3 planes jockeying for position to kill me increase my odds of survival while I focus on killing another one.

Last edited by flighthawk on Jun 18, 2011 - 04:02 PM; edited 1 time in total

Upping the thrust from 14,000lb in AB to 17,900lb in AB According to an old pilot, made intercepting U-2s at 60,000+ft a lot easier!

Getting shot down by the F-22 was what drove me on to nail it - and it was certainly sweet when I did constantly!!

Could do with a HF F-22 FM really though.

Dont know if FF was the same but my stealth assets seemed to suffer badly in campaigns, the F-22s when out of missiles would go after everything with guns! B-2s and F-117s often never came back - I never had the time to fully manage everything though!! - didnt always want to spend a week changing default loadouts to something useable.

edit:oops should be 17,900lbs

"Don't worry fellas. We're stealth! They can't see us!"

::DPRK Pilot looks out his window:: "HOLY CR**! A giant boomerang! Kill it kill it!"

What's the big performance difference in the J79-19 and J79-11A? Its a shame PW1120 was late to the game and couldn't have found its way into an F-16/79 equivalent. Its basic performance was on par with combat-plus and probably would have weighed less and ran cooler than J79-17x.

madrat wrote:

What's the big performance difference in the J79-19 and J79-11A? Its a shame PW1120 was late to the game and couldn't have found its way into an F-16/79 equivalent. Its basic performance was on par with combat-plus and probably would have weighed less and ran cooler than J79-17x.

Pretty much this from what I can find:

J79-GE-3B (F-104A) 9,600-lb in Mil , 14,800-lb in AB
J79-GE-7 (F-104C) 10,000-lb in Mil, 15,800-lb in AB
J79-GE-11A (F-104G) 10,000-lb in Mil, 15,600-lb in AB
J79-GE-19 (F-104S) 11,870-lb in Mil, 17,900-lb with AB

sprstdlyscottsmn wrote:

"Don't worry fellas. We're stealth! They can't see us!"

::DPRK Pilot looks out his window:: "HOLY CR**! A giant boomerang! Kill it kill it!"

not that far off unfortunately.

flighthawk wrote:

Pretty much this from what I can find:

J79-GE-3B (F-104A) 9,600-lb in Mil , 14,800-lb in AB
J79-GE-7 (F-104C) 10,000-lb in Mil, 15,800-lb in AB
J79-GE-11A (F-104G) 10,000-lb in Mil, 15,600-lb in AB
J79-GE-19 (F-104S) 11,870-lb in Mil, 17,900-lb with AB

At http://paulcegelski.com/J79.html I found a few more models from military to civilian.

The -17x had "Combat plus" which allowed a surge of power in the area of 20,000-lb. PW1120 was in the area of 13,530-lb dry and 20,585-lb wet, but weighed a thousand pounds less and was over a meter shorter.

madrat wrote:

At http://paulcegelski.com/J79.html I found a few more models from military to civilian.

The -17x had "Combat plus" which allowed a surge of power in the area of 20,000-lb. PW1120 was in the area of 13,530-lb dry and 20,585-lb wet, but weighed a thousand pounds less and was over a meter shorter.

Very nice find - many thanks for that.

Yes I had read about combat+ on the article here:

http://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article12.html

I sometimes forget about the info held on this site Surprised

PW1120 may have been an improvement for all practical phases of flight, but it lost the top speed of the J79. I always wanted to upgrade an F-4E with an F414EPE, I guess an F-104 would benefit as well. While the turbofans don't have the top end thrust of turbo jets, increasing AB thrust from 17.9K to 26.4 should take care of some of that. I remember reading somewhere that F-104s were also more agile at higher speeds than an F-5, must have had a higher G limit.

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