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http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2011/03 ... c_ev=click

Apparently flew too low and too fast. Umm, I think the AF got it wrong.

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Jer

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Too low is dumb, dangerous, and different...not to mention unsafe...they were not too fast...per AF regs.

No reason to be that low...the fly-by's are cool even when following the rules.

Several YouTube vids of the "incident":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN-pX4Kt ... re=related (at 0:30)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wToRKdVa ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9u_xYil ... ure=fvwrel (at 0:21)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIsPoZZEsF0 (at 0:40)

Compare that to this Hornet fly-over at a TCU/Navy game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLPC-4Mj ... re=related

Wonder if the Hornet driver got a talkin' to? Rolling Eyes

I don't see much to complain about with the T-38s but that Hornet driver is just crazy! Maybe he was trying to 'hook' a banner with the extended Tailhook.

THe T-38's were in violation of regulations. NEVER do that when cameras are around...

This was definitely a bad day for him.

He lost his wings.

He lost an F-16 Reserve job he had lined up.

He possibly lost his chance for an airline job.

And Iowa lost to Ohio State, 20-17.

I agree with Roscoe, only violate regulations when there are no cameras around.

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I agree with Roscoe, only violate regulations when there are no cameras around.

Which means, you just don't violate regulations anymore. Even if big media's not there, you still have young people with their fancy phones that can take high quality pictures and video. Following the regs would've still allowed for a pretty cool fly by.

Actually, to put my 2 pennies in the conversation, the F-18's that land at our airport aren't much higher, maybe even lower. And that is landing over a densely populated area. I think this was neat, albeit inherently dangerous. That F-18 pilot is nuts though. Thanks for the link, first time seeing the vid.

God Bless
Jer

Roscoe's right. It looked good, but you don't wanna Eff around, so to speak, when you're on National TV. Big No No

However, now, this is just TC talking here, but I don't think that being FEB'd over it was the right decision. Definitely a Q3 was in order...you get sat down for a bit, you get your peepee schwacked...then, you get some addtional training, followed by a checkride to green you back up, but not getting your wings pulled. That's going just a little overboard, IMHO.

Then again, decisions like that are above my pay grade!

Problem is the guy was a 4-ship flight lead so not just s dumb line pilot. He's supposed to set the example. Instead he became the example...

A story that is partially supported, partially hearsay, partially conjecture but here goes...

I know a high time guy who took a Viper to a contractor's plant near Chicago, and put on an unauthorized airshow for them. Problem: he was too close to O'Hare and caused an airliner's TCAS to trigger, pushing him into a go-around (really bad for airliners to do that, both in schedule and gas). FAA called his unit and asked for his name to bust him. Unit did what they always do...declined to rat him out, planning to deal with him themselves. When the called in as per regs, he was asked by the Ops Officer what had happened. So the guys lies his a$$ off to his boss, saying nothing happened, must have been a TCAS failure on the part of the airliner.

Turns out a video popped up of his airshow...he was FEB'ed and stripped of his wings.

Bozo.

Ouch. If you're stuck between a rock and a hard place, you might as well fess up. I saw guys in the airlift world do some dumbsh-- stuff and continue flying, up to and including "Mr. C-17 gear up at Bagram" himself...and the AMC community is unfortunately NOTORIOUS for eating their own (glad I'm now in ACC!). Tell the truth, and it might just be temporarily bad for you. Lie, and it can be bad forever.

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T38 Pilot ain't flying no more...