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This isn't a joke.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Canada+Engines+included/4629251/story.html

Some peace activist was looking at government documents and noticed "engines are provided as gov’t furnished equipment" on one of the documents and jumped to the conclusion that the $9 billion for 65 CF-35s would not cover the engines.

And this makes the news, this reporter is an idiot, he is also the one that mentioned that Canada would not get probe and drogue refueling.

Some people should just cover local news.

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Hate to break it to ya, fanboy, but the engine is NOT included in the 'about $75M unit price' as reported by the MP Liar...oops, I mean, 'Laurie' Hawn. And he knew it.

And spare us the 'peace activist' BS. So what if a peace activist was the one who uncovered this stereotypical example of 'Harper government' duplicity. Being against the purchase of an exorbitant and unnecessary clusterf** does not mean that you're one of those awful, unpatriotic, liberal hippie 'peace activists'.

cafpilot wrote:

This isn't a joke.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Canada+Engines+included/4629251/story.html

Some peace activist was looking at government documents and noticed "engines are provided as gov’t furnished equipment" on one of the documents and jumped to the conclusion that the $9 billion for 65 CF-35s would not cover the engines.

And this makes the news, this reporter is an idiot, he is also the one that mentioned that Canada would not get probe and drogue refueling.

Some people should just cover local news.

Idiots will believe what idiots report, even when you don't have all the facts but are blindly guided by your own hippie, anti-war agenda. FACT: The CF-35 WILL happen, regardless of what some left-wing propaganda bullshit news reporters have to say.

Fact: Only idiots will believe that predictions are facts.

Anyway, despite having convincingly demonstrated that you don't even know what a fact is, I'm curious to see your version of what "all the facts" are. And I do mean ALL the facts, mind you. Not just the "all the facts" that cafpilot believes are fit to print... Rolling Eyes

Well, that's a wrap for the CF-35. End of story. Nothing left to do but bury the bodies. Too much bad, shockingly bad, publicity--right at election time to survive. How can any Canadian support the CF-35 in the face of these stories? What a massive FAIL.

Harper Tories' fighter jets missing one thing--engines
http://www.660news.com/news/local/artic ... -one-thing

Canada's F-35s do not include engines
http://www.oyetimes.com/news/canada/107 ... de-engines

Documents show that Ottawa will be on the hook to provide engines for the new fighter jets.
http://www.themarknews.com/articles/477 ... -new-f-35s

Canada’s F-35s: Engines not included
http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Can ... story.html

Bronc

pretty bad. engines are almost always GFE.

does anyone know for sure if the GFE cost for engines is inside or outside the published budget envelope?

broncazonk wrote:

Well, that's a wrap for the CF-35. End of story.

Ya okay.

Nothing but the cancellation of the JSF program will "wrap up" the CF-35.

Is undercoating included?

butters wrote:

Hate to break it to ya, fanboy, but the engine is NOT included in the 'about $75M unit price' as reported by the MP Liar...oops, I mean, 'Laurie' Hawn. And he knew it.

And spare us the 'peace activist' BS. So what if a peace activist was the one who uncovered this stereotypical example of 'Harper government' duplicity. Being against the purchase of an exorbitant and unnecessary clusterf** does not mean that you're one of those awful, unpatriotic, liberal hippie 'peace activists'.

It is included in the $9 billion and the "journalist" ,I use the term loosely, makes it seem as if it in not included at all. But obviously they did not want to mislead anyone (sarcasm).

As for Hawn and $75 million as it stands right now, not one journalist actually had the knowledge or insight to ask if this was just for the airframe or fly-away cost. MASSIVE FAIL again reinforcing the fast that most Canadian journalists are idiots.

As quoted from the article
"The records, obtained through the Access to Information law by PEACE ACTIVIST Tamara Lorincz, are from a series of meetings last fall when defence bureaucrats and military officers toured the country to promote the F-35 deal."

I guess I hit a nerve when I used the article's peace activist description? Sorry to upset you, maybe I can make amends and send over a drink of "Man Up" New and improved formula cuts down on tears, hard-feelings, and whining.

I always thought the Ottawa Citizen was impartial politically.. but that article is clearly written to deceive the voting public shortly before an election. The article slips in the statement

"But the e-mail suggested the cost of the engines is included in the overall price."

As if it is meaningless then goes on to say how much more some people who oppose the project think engines will cost..

1) nobody knows the price. 2) canada is buying the cheapest version of the plane.. and yet the price people quote is the current average price of all variants 3) Canada will be purchasing them well into the heart of production. They will be cheaper at that time. Obviously the first ones going to the states will be more expensive.

This is Canada.. keep shiity fox-news type articles out of here. The Ottawa Citizen has always been like this. It's a horrible, horrible newspaper filled with half-truths and transparent attempts to mislead.

pushoksti, thanks for pointing out the phrase: "But the e-mail suggested the cost of the engines is included in the overall price." Brilliant. British 'tabloid style' influenced newspapers - my apologies for Rupert MerdeDock getting a start in Adelaide, Australia - have been full of rubbish since whenever [& playing politics]. Sadly.

Foam on, kiddywinks.

The real story is why the Harper government found it necessary to announce its choice of the F-35, years before it had to sign a contract (or even could do so) and justify it with cost estimates that were prepared by now-dismissed-and-disgraced leaders on both the government and company sides.

Underhill, the conservatives are still ahead in the polls with at least 38% of the vote. So Canada will be getting F-35's, the Canadian military will be getting the best jet fighter on the market, and high tech F-35 jobs will be comming to Canadian aerospace industry. So it's, win, win, win, win, you loose! Cheers

underhill - if the real story is what you suggest then why is it not the real story. Baffled.

All contracts for the JSF flow through the JPO. All US & partner nations buy from each supplier as a single purchase every year. There are no separate contracts for each customer. This is part of the cost reduction measures. This reminds me of the whole "no way to refuel CF-35" BS that cam out last year.

There is no GFE as far as the Canadian government is concerned.

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Canada has the most idiotic reporters