Forum: General F-22A Raptor forum

As the title says the GOP control of House could revive the F-22.

Article: http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider- ... -22-fight/

So, what are the chances?

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very very slim

They'd still have to have enough votes to beat a veto, which Obama most certainly would do. It is encouraging to see though.

shep1978 wrote:

As the title says the GOP control of House could revive the F-22.

Article: http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider- ... -22-fight/

So, what are the chances?

Zero to -100!! F22 is over and done with no matter who controls the house, senate and presidency. Besides, we can't *outsource* the F22 and that's what we do here in the USA now days. We don't make things anymore. We let the Chinese do it for pennys on the dollar and then import their pure junk of which a great part of it has been caught being poison in various areas. Of course all accidental I am sure Rolling Eyes

But who knows. The Chinese may make our fearless leaders an offer they can't refuse, like maybe no more loans if we dont let them build the F22, and then I'm sure we'd come up with some perfectly idiotic reason why it would be perfectly safe to let them build it as long as they *promise* not to steal any of the tech from it right? Rolling Eyes

Beazz

shep1978 wrote:

As the title says the GOP control of House could revive the F-22.

Article: http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider- ... -22-fight/

So, what are the chances?

Hopefully nil to none. The US is almost broke. We need jets to protect our airspace and borders. We need to start adding value to the world economy, stop borrowing so much, start HOME GROWN innovation and STOP sending all of our resources overseas! The F-35 will handle the burden of the future, assuming of course it does not end up costing 100+ million a copy.

The crazy thing is Shep... given a hypothetical USAF/DoD paradigm shift to occur, including a plan to procure 15x F-22A block35, plus 18x F-16 blk50/52++ in FY13 instead of 33 F-35A; USAF's FY13 combat aircraft procurement budget would likely be less than the FY13's future budget w/ the 33x F-35A order! (not to mention the additional mature, already operational capabilities as part of such an alternative plan).

So yes, Congress might not be so foolish afterall to consider such an alternative, game-changing stopgap procurement, given fiscal constraints and budget matters. Although I would unfortunately have to concur with Beazz's assessment and think the F-22 has in fact been killed for good. In that case, perhaps substitute 10 F-15E+ plus 10 EF-18G Growlers for the 15x F-22A number (mixed with said F-16 order) and save that way. imho.

God speed.

Vis-a-vis the conclusion of the Peace Caesar period, with respect to the returning leased assets which were recovered and refurbished for ADF duty, and in light of our current economic downturn of GDP in as much as the Congress is looking for stopgap measures while awaiting the delivery of F-35 to absorb frontline duties, perhaps, imho, the Italian assets could be considered to fulfill the need for operational readiness?
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Since nearly every argument Gates et al used to kill the Raptor has since been overcome by facts or shown to be an outright lie, perhaps the decision should be revisited.

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I say myself and along with other US personnel leave Iraq 1st because it will cost money just to get us out of iraq 1st and also Afghanistan but we can recover some money if none of us are still Iraq.

Not the F-22A. It would have to be a multi-role F-22C with export possibility, Even then, to get it into production, you'd have to get past the first the Tea Party who wants to cut spending in general, then the Democratic controlled Senate, then the White House.

bjr1028 wrote:

Not the F-22A. It would have to be a multi-role F-22C with export possibility, Even then, to get it into production, you'd have to get past the first the Tea Party who wants to cut spending in general, then the Democratic controlled Senate, then the White House.

No export Possibility, leave that with he F-35, a multirole, or better air superiority F-22C would be good.

America already has an exportable fighter in the F-35. Even if the F-35's unit cost ends up nearly the same as the F-22's, its operational costs ought to be lower (smaller, single engine, along with less but more maintainable stealth). The F-22 will never be as versatile as the F-35, with its 2,000lb bomb bays, integrated EO system and DAS. An F-22 with compromised export stealth probably won't attract many sales.

If F-22 production were to restart (a long shot), it should come out of the massive F-35 buy unless additional funding arises out of the current awful economy. Enhance its multirole capabilities but keep the air-to-air advantages that make it what it is in the first place. Give the new Raptors all the software, radar, and EW upgrades already planned in increments 3.1 and 3.2. Add JHMCS already. Possibly add more radar or IRST capability in that growth space the planes already have. If possible, upgrade the MLD to expand IRST capability.

We can only hope...wait isn't that the current administrations party line? Hope...More F22's and less F35's...agree with above, new buys should include all the newest goodies for the Raptor...the next war will require more way F22's to even come to a stalemate...but the best role of a large F22 fleet would be DETERRANCE, our greatest weapon.

golden_eagle wrote:

the next war will require more way F22's to even come to a stalemate.

And how will you know this? No country is any great threat to us but a couple of people armed with AK-47s.

golden eagle wrote:

but the best role of a large F22 fleet would be DETERRANCE, our greatest weapon.

Might kill our already terrible economy, which is in a ditch, with high cost keeping them operational.

You don't believe China is a threat to us? 350 Su-30MKK attack aircraft, 238 J-11 fighters, and 40 Su-27UBK trainers in service with the PLAAF [for a total of 628], and at least 24 in service with the PLAN, for a grand total of 652 airframes...old data as of 2009...cost a hek of alot less than the stimulus did...next how about a resurgent Russia?