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I didn't know the F-15C/D had that capability. Interesting.

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madrat wrote:

Why do they need a specialized jammer when the joint services will send them Growlers when they need them?

I'd guess it's probably a speed related and possibly altitude related issue, vis-a-vis an appropriately teamed F-22 escort element. If they can get CFT on a jamming tasked C/D ship, then the range would be that much more superior too, compared to a Growler (which would otherwise have potential as the superior general purpose jamming capacity).

SpudmanWP wrote:

As the FY2011 docs and the article I linked to show, the F-15C/D is due to get a pylon/pod setup like the F-15K.

Actually, as per the article at least... and as LM's artwork suggests, it is pretty much implied that C/D's station 5 - i.e. the centerline point - will hang the IRST pod. E/K/SG/SA, etc of course, hang it under the left fuselage point.

Hence the conjecture that perhaps the E+ would be the overall superior escort jammer platform, as it would be capable of employing both IRST and SoJ pod. (C/D would apparently have to decide the mission and add specialized airframes to the package accordingly). Hence my deduction that a FASTpack CFT-internally-mounted IRST aperture(s) (I'd have two for 220+ degree scan) would slot well with a C/D jamming config (or centerline tank fit). Cheers-

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/data/asse ... oto5_h.jpg

geogen wrote:

SpudmanWP wrote:

As the FY2011 docs and the article I linked to show, the F-15C/D is due to get a pylon/pod setup like the F-15K.

Actually, as per the article at least... and as LM's artwork suggests, it is pretty much implied that C/D's station 5 - i.e. the centerline point - will hang the IRST pod. E/K/SG/SA, etc of course, hang it under the left fuselage point.

Hence the conjecture that perhaps the E+ would be the overall superior escort jammer platform, as it would be capable of employing both IRST and SoJ pod. (C/D would apparently have to decide the mission and add specialized airframes to the package accordingly). Hence my deduction that a FASTpack CFT-internally-mounted IRST aperture(s) (I'd have two for 220+ degree scan) would slot well with a C/D jamming config (or centerline tank fit). Cheers-

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/data/asse ... oto5_h.jpg

With NCW, every platform doesn't have to be outfitted the same. One can have a jammer, the other the IRST(which can then share the data via datalinked with every other aircraft in the network), etc....

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Actually, as per the article at least... and as LM's artwork suggests, it is pretty much implied that C/D's station 5 - i.e. the centerline point - will hang the IRST pod. E/K/SG/SA, etc of course, hang it under the left fuselage point.

Hence the conjecture that perhaps the E+ would be the overall superior escort jammer platform, as it would be capable of employing both IRST and SoJ pod. (C/D would apparently have to decide the mission and add specialized airframes to the package accordingly). Hence my deduction that a FASTpack CFT-internally-mounted IRST aperture(s) (I'd have two for 220+ degree scan) would slot well with a C/D jamming config (or centerline tank fit). Cheers-

So the C/D models don't have the same hard points under the intakes like the F-15E?

discofishing wrote:

So the C/D models don't have the same hard points under the intakes like the F-15E?

They don't have any right now. The intake stations were added to the F-15E for LANTIRN carriage back in time.

Geogen, what article did the photo come from?

As far as BOTH the article and budget docs, they are clear on a F-15K-like config. Why would they make it any different, and waste the centerline station? The pick you show is probability just a Dev rig.

Does this mean the airframes of the F-15C/D aircraft have to be structurally modified for attachment points under the intakes, or have they always had this capability?

Spud -

The F-15C image was retrieved from LM's IRST photo list found on the right side of this page...

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/products/ ... index.html

As far as 'both' article and budget doc clarifying to you that F-15C/D's IRST will be configured like F-15Ks set up, could you quote the that citation for me? I did look over both pages again now and can't find such an inference.

The article says that similar pods were delivered to Korea for their F-15K, but I couldn't see where it suggested that F-15C/D would have an F-15K like setup.

It seems to clearly suggest station 5, the centerline point, which would correspond with LM's artwork. And I have to add I'm not completely impressed with the +5 degree elevation of the centerline IRST position (that on the SH or F-15 Golden). It would seem to be fine if you're cruising at 40k', but maybe not the most optimal scan coverage? Another reason I was contemplating twin-IRST configured FASTpacks CFT for +/-70 degree elevation by 180+ field degree scan. Perhaps forward sphere day/night vision multi-spectral MAWS could be installed in front section of this CFT too? Hmmm.

And to WW -

I'd concur in general with your NCW related comment, but still, you'd have to consider the advantage of an airframe which could employ both jammer pod and IRST?? For instance, if a sortie required let's say 2 jamming platforms, it could be more mission-friendly (and more economical) if they could also passively search for long range IR signatures without requiring an additional 2 airframes just to fulfill that aspect?

geogen wrote:

And to WW -

I'd concur in general with your NCW related comment, but still, you'd have to consider the advantage of an airframe which could employ both jammer pod and IRST?? For instance, if a sortie required let's say 2 jamming platforms, it could be more mission-friendly (and more economical) if they could also passively search for long range IR signatures without requiring an additional 2 airframes just to fulfill that aspect?

It would be nice, but I suspect you might see 1 F-15 w/ a jammer, and 3 with IRST(or maybe 2+2), since even the ones without dedicated jammers could still conduct EA in support of the F-22s.

As for the field of view for the IRST, even if the F-15s are only at 40k, a 5 deg elevation at long range still represents a very respectable altitude(considering most threats won't be Mig-31s). I do suspect that if the F-15s are supporting F-22s, they might be flying even higher though, at perhaps 50k or more.

So do the raptors fly behind the eagles or visa versa and take long range shots? What exactly are the eagles going to be doing for the raptors?

Eagles stand back, Raptors move in for closer range shots.

mustang65 wrote:

So do the raptors fly behind the eagles or visa versa and take long range shots? What exactly are the eagles going to be doing for the raptors?

I thought this was already pretty well covered in this thread. The Eagles will be providing third party targeting, electronic attack, and stand off jamming for the Raptors, so they(Raptors) can remain EMCON to maximize their stealth/element of surprise.

mustang65 wrote:

So do the raptors fly behind the eagles or visa versa and take long range shots? What exactly are the eagles going to be doing for the raptors?

I appreciate your inquisitiveness but we can't be giving away Air Dominance tactics to our potential adversaries...let's let them figure it out vice giving the info out in an online forum...agree?

I bet the AMRAAMs get there first...

If it all worked out, the bad guys wouldn't know who/what fired on them.

Isn't that always the plan?

Shrug

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