Forum: Modern Military Aircraft

golden_eagle wrote:

My quantification is 14+ years of flying fighters, studying tactics, leading large force missions, oh and COMBAT TIME...the F35 has some really cool electrogizmogear but unfortunately it's gotten too heavy and truth be told it was never designed to be an air to air fighter, that's the F22's job...the F35 is a supporting role fighter only; kinda like the F16 is..."Air Superiority" can only be accomplished by the pure air to air fighters...

A fighter jock eh...hmmm....I see that you are very "quantified" Very Happy

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What units will still fly the F-15? It will be a HEINOUS CRIME if the Montana ANG loses their planes to Fresno. Aren't there enough in the fleet to provide
enough airframes to equip the Fresno unit without drawing down another?
What is the timeframe for the 18th at Kadena to convert to the F-35? I'm
asking because I have no idea. Thanx.

jeffb wrote:

Other interesting tid-bits:
F-22 sustained turn rate 28 degrees +
SU-30MKI sustained turn rate 23 degrees per second (no where near the raptor)
F-15 sustained turn rate 15-16 degrees (instantaneous 21)

This is not true. He’s either lying or doesn’t know what he is talking about.

exec wrote:

jeffb wrote:

Other interesting tid-bits:
F-22 sustained turn rate 28 degrees +
SU-30MKI sustained turn rate 23 degrees per second (no where near the raptor)
F-15 sustained turn rate 15-16 degrees (instantaneous 21)

This is not true. He’s either lying or doesn’t know what he is talking about.

Well, according to a number of sources he's Colonel Terrence Fornof, an F-15 pilot and the Director of the Requirements and Testing office at the United States Air Force Warfare Center, Nellis AFB, Nevada.
Here's a link to the DEW Line story about Red Flag's apology to the IAF following the release of his remarks on YouTube http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/2008/11/red-flag-official-apologises-t.html

And sorry, he did qualify the turn rate figures by saying that at 20,000 feet the F-22 can sustain 28 degrees per second. I guess he could be, what's the opposite of exaggerating? He does state at the beginning of the briefing that "he wouldn't be discussing anything that's not in Janes'..." but he doesn't sound like he's leaving anything out.

hoghead wrote:

What units will still fly the F-15? It will be a HEINOUS CRIME if the Montana ANG loses their planes to Fresno. Aren't there enough in the fleet to provide
enough airframes to equip the Fresno unit without drawing down another?
What is the timeframe for the 18th at Kadena to convert to the F-35? I'm
asking because I have no idea. Thanx.

All F-15C's will eventually be Air Guard...Fresno will get Montana's jet's and Montana will most likely get a cargo mission and at worst go UAV. I don't think even the AF/DoD knows when the F-35 will even be available to "replace" (more like displace!) the F-15's there...one thing no one has yet mentioned is that basing "attack" capable aircraft at Kadena will most likely necessitate re-writing the agreements that the US/Japan have in place for a "no offensive capable" basing of assets within Japanese territory.

Finally to answer your main question:

Barnes, Jacksonville, New Orleans, Klamath Falls, Fresno, Portland

There probably are enough Golden F-15C's to keep Montana in the A2A role but that's not "The Plan"...

@ jeffb
i seem to remember those simulations.... didnt the sukhois just take the tankers out with theyre k-100s and just left the jsfs to run out of fuel?

But Colonel Terrence Fornof's breifing was absolutly riddled with glaring errors, how can you take the rest of what he said seriously such as the sustained turn rate figures? (I notice Jeff left out all the glaring inaccuracies from Fornof in his post so you might want to read up on them sometime then reassess his credibility to speak on the subject)

The guy ended up as real embarrassment for the USAF from what I understand.

kristianisme wrote:

@ jeffb
i seem to remember those simulations.... didnt the sukhois just take the tankers out with theyre k-100s and just left the jsfs to run out of fuel?

Approximately when can we expect these notional missiles to be fielded?

exec. I'd have thought it's pretty competitive with nearly everything out there bar the F-22 and Su-35.
And tell me why it's not competitive with the Su-35?

Do not lose any sleep over this issue exec Laughing

The F-15C with the v3 radar is indeed competitive vs the Su-35S.
With all the battlespace network and sensor fusion going on in the USAF, it doesn't matter the Su-35S is a slightly better plattform.

In the 'fog of war game' the one with best and most eyes(AWACS) wins.
The F-15C will come out on top.

In a 1vs1 engagement without any support.. well who knows, its an open question.

Forum: Modern Military Aircraft

What will replace all of the F-15s?