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The Golden Eagle is fine vis a vis the Su-35. The Su pilot has no major advantage he can leverage to consistently beat the Eagle. This is true for the reverse except for the fact that the Eagle pilot has the entire US war machine of SSGN's and B-2's hitting the Su bases, Growlers jamming the radars of the enemy's GCI, AWACS. and the Su's themselves, the fact that the Eagle is networked with F-22's and F-35's and the fact that it's unlikely a Golden Eagle would ever take a shot at a Su, rather it would light its radar and have a silent F-22 or possibly F-35 take the shot for it.

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It sucks the F-15 will be exposed and the Raptor is still hidden should combat scenario arise like that. Stealth right now is the pinnacle for winning a BVR engagement. You cannot kill what you can't see.

F-22s and F-15s and other legacy assets have been refining their tagteam tactics and rewriting the rulebook for several years now.. they could only have goten more lethal since the following was written.

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/ ... 0807p1.xml
... Perhaps the most important revelation by the 27th Fighter Sqdn. was demonstrating the F-22's ability to use its sensors to identify and target enemy aircraft for conventional fighters by providing information so they could engage the enemy sooner than they could on their own. Because of the advanced situational awareness they afford, F-22s would stick around after using up their weapons to continue providing targets and IDs to the conventional fighters.

"We always left F-22s on station to help, but we didn't designate any one aircraft to provide data," says Lt. Col. Wade Tolliver, the unit's commander. "It was critical that every F-22 out there provided all the data he had."

With its high-resolution radar, the F-22 can guarantee target altitudes to within a couple of hundred feet. Its ability to identify an aircraft is "sometimes many times quicker than the AWACS," he says. "It was a combination of high-resolution sensors and being closer to the targets."...

...Raptor pilots had all the available data on the airspace fused and displayed on a single, easy-to-read screen.

"When I look down at my scope and put my cursor over a [friendly] F-15 or F/A-18, it tells me who they are locked on to," he says. For example, "I could help them out by saying, 'You're double-targeted and there's a group over here untargeted' . . . to make sure we got everybody." F-15 targets will be latent because of the radar sweep...

All the APA and "reformer" fans can just go ahead and ignore Popcorn's post. Go ahead and just compare one performance parameter or another in a 1v1 situation between the Golden Eagle or F-35 and adversaries. Forget the whole idea of NCW and systems.

shingen wrote:

The Golden Eagle is fine vis a vis the Su-35. The Su pilot has no major advantage he can leverage to consistently beat the Eagle.

99 out of 100 sukhoi fanboys would say missile range at BVR and TVC in WVR.

exec wrote:

shep1978 wrote:

I'd have thought it's pretty competitive with nearly everything out there bar the F-22 and Su-35.

And tell me why it's not competitive with the Su-35?

Heh, good point.
I've no real idea why I wrote that. Probably because I was in a bit of a 'haze' Laughing

if you get me but yeah come to think of it I can't think of any game changing advantages the Su-35 has.

munny wrote:

99 out of 100 sukhoi fanboys would say missile range at BVR and TVC in WVR.

Missile range at BVR? Which missile?
RVV-AE & RVV-SD is inferior to AIM-120C & AIM-120C-5,7/D
R-27ER has greater range than AIM-120A,B,C and probably C-5, but this is still a SARH missile, so it has some serious drawbacks.

TVC? Right, this is an advantage, but on the other hand the F-15 has vastly superior T/W ratio which means better climb, better acceleration, better sustained turn rates.

The Golden Eagles are all 25+ years old airframes whereas Su-35s will all be new built with advanced materials and construction methods. The Su-27s aerodynamics were ever seen as superior and with the new integrated FCS and much more powerful TVC engines the Su-35 is likely to outperform the Eagle in most relevant aspects. Add reduced RCS, a modern glass cockpit, integrated avionics and sensor fusion, an all new EWS and new sensors and weapons and you get a likely superior platform. That an Eagle employed in the US warfighting machinery will still hold its own due superior support is out of question, but on a platform level the F-15 is most likely not the best out there anymore apart the F-22. Newer variants such as the proposed Silent Eagle would be much more competitive. Upgraded F-15Cs are still doing fine, but they aren't the yardstick of fighter design anymore and I don't talk about the F-22 here.

The point is, there's no need to replace the Eagle 1 for 1 until they fall apart.

That's indeed true. The combination of some superior platforms and legacy platforms employed in an unmatched force structure is going to win wars.

Not to change the subject, but wasn't there a stipulation in Congress where it was brought up that the loss of any aircraft would be replaced by an F-22? I don't think this was written in the '10 Defense bill and was probably scrapped. However, it seemed like a great idea to me to reorganize and replace old with new. I don't know why, but I feel like the F-35 is going to be a POS compared to the Raptor.

The F-35 will do fine, especially when you consider the threat matrix. In general the F-35 will be a more useful aircraft, it's cheaper to buy and operate and it's more flexible as well. If the F-35 is good enough against the threats likely to be encountered then there is no need for the F-22 at all. There might be threats against which the F-22 would be a better solution, so having some of them can't hurt, but you don't need an all out large Raptor fleet.

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I don't know why, but I feel like the F-35 is going to be a POS compared to the Raptor.

Thanks for telling us what you "feel". F-22 designers/engineers also developed the F-35. If the F-22 isn't a POS why would the F-35 be one? How about telling us what you "think" instead of what you feel.

What should replace the F-15 should be more F-22s. Mad

I guess I'm not as smart as our "leaders" in Washington however.

I hope to see the F-15E Strike Eagles upgraded and kept in service for awhile yet, but I have my concerns about the earlier models, especially after those structural problems.

Well, the F-15Es are getting new APG-82 AESA radars for one.

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What will replace all of the F-15s?