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wrightwing
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 Posted: Jul 15, 2010 - 08:45 PM
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Rapec wrote:
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wrightwing wrote:
The earliest Blocks will be used only in training squadrons, so they don't need the full upgrades, as that would be cost prohibitive.
Well, the problem may come from the number: there are currently 34 early Block 20 Raptors.
Does using almost 1/5 of the entire F-22 fleet only in training purposes and leaving it without any upgrades (like Increment 3.1) is right choice?
IMHO only small number of F-22 should be left only for training squadrons.
Regards
Well it wouldn't have been my choice to do that, but due to the costs involved based upon the hardware incompatibility, I'm just not sure that the funds are there. I would've liked 381 Raptors, with 300 Block 35/40s, but that's not going to happen. |
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Posted: Jul 15, 2010 - 09:18 PM
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| I'm still hoping someone pulls a Reagan and does it (e.g. B-1B revival & and old thread of mine on here). |
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Posted: Jul 15, 2010 - 10:32 PM
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| Not gonna happen. There's no money left. Our genious politicians have so wisely spent this country into the poor house. I will be amazed if we get the 3.2 upgrades in a timely manner. There's simply no money left. Only way to pay for if would be to reduce the total force....oh wait, that's what we're doing! Way to go left wingers! |
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Rapec
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Posted: Jul 16, 2010 - 03:42 PM
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wrightwing wrote:
Well it wouldn't have been my choice to do that, but due to the costs involved based upon the hardware incompatibility, I'm just not sure that the funds are there.
Upgrades usually involve additional costs. It will be funny and sad situation simultaneously if almost 1/5 of the entire 5th generation fighter F-22s fleet will not be able to use AIM-9X while the F-16 and F-15 (4 - 4.5 gen fighters) could deploy those missiles.
wrightwing wrote:
I would've liked 381 Raptors, with 300 Block 35/40s, but that's not going to happen.
Well, I would like only 187 Block 35/40 Raptors.
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wrightwing
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Posted: Jul 18, 2010 - 02:23 PM
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Rapec wrote:
wrightwing wrote:
Well it wouldn't have been my choice to do that, but due to the costs involved based upon the hardware incompatibility, I'm just not sure that the funds are there.
Upgrades usually involve additional costs. It will be funny and sad situation simultaneously if almost 1/5 of the entire 5th generation fighter F-22s fleet will not be able to use AIM-9X while the F-16 and F-15 (4 - 4.5 gen fighters) could deploy those missiles.
All the Block 30 and later models, can use the AIM-9X. The reason that the legacy fighters were getting the -9X(and -120D) first is that they needed it more to remain relevent against the latest threats. Even without a HMD and -9X, there was an instance where an F-22 with -9Ms went up against 3 F-16s w/ JHMCS and -9Xs, and shot all 3 down(though the last F-16 was a mutual kill). That should give a pretty good idea how effective an F-22 is even with current weapons. |
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Rapec
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Posted: Jul 18, 2010 - 05:48 PM
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Hello
wrightwing wrote:
All the Block 30 and later models, can use the AIM-9X
Well, once again according to this article:
http://www.examiner.com/x-5411-Military ... ors-talons
only last 87 F-22s can receive Increment 3.2. upgrades without any significant changes in hardware and software.
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A further group of 63 aircraft, comprising the earliest production Lots of operational Raptors, were built to the later Block 30 configuration
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He explained that these older aircraft are not “hardware enabled” to receive the Increment 3.2 package.
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Retrofitting other Increment 3.2 improvements requires a “few minor hardware changes necessary for AIM-9X and major changes are necessary to the Raptor's Stores Management System to accommodate these weapons”, Miller explained, referring to the AIM-9X and the AIM-120D.
It seems that less than half of the Raptors fleet will be able to use AIM-9X and AIM-120.
wrightwing wrote:
Even without a HMD and -9X, there was an instance where an F-22 with -9Ms went up against 3 F-16s w/ JHMCS and -9Xs, and shot all 3 down(though the last F-16 was a mutual kill).
No one doubts that F-22 will be effective in WVR combat, but instances doesn't make rules about who will win the aerial engagement.
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wrightwing
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Posted: Jul 18, 2010 - 11:36 PM
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Rapec wrote:
Well, once again according to this article:
http://www.examiner.com/x-5411-Military ... ors-talons
only last 87 F-22s can receive Increment 3.2. upgrades without any significant changes in hardware and software.
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The Air Force and our industry partners are currently executing design trade studies to identify cost effective options to flow this capability back to the Block 30 aircraft without the ESMS enabler”.
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