Forum: F-35 Lightning II

I have read that the aim-9x uses an internal trust venturing that allows it to preform 90 degree maneuvers. Do you think an internal trust venturing could be put in the F135 engine and would it improve f-35's maneuverability.

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1. Yes, thrust VECTORING would improve maneuverability
2. No, it won't happen due to high additional costs. They kept it off so that the F-35 could be as wonderfully affordable as it is right now. ::::: putting on flame retardant suit ::::: Whistle

DAS is your best bet - if you've gotten in a knife fight with a Gen 5 jet, then somebody messed up.

g3143 wrote:

I have read that the aim-9x uses an internal trust venturing that allows it to preform 90 degree maneuvers. Do you think an internal trust venturing could be put in the F135 engine and would it improve f-35's maneuverability.

It would, but probably marginally so from a tactical perspective. If the through-life cost comes down and there is a requirement at some point in the future I'm sure it could be retrofitted. Lately it seems the arguments for TVC have shifted to better fuel economy, thrust and engine life rather than maneuverability.

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take the rear nozzle from the B and mount it upside down on the A Smile

AIM-120C-6; $400,000; MACH 4.0+; TURNING G 20+; RANGE 30+ MILES; 40 LBS. OF HIGH EXPLOSIVE BLAST-FRAGMENTATION;

can you out run or out turn this? Question

check6

I think the F-35B has about as much thrust vectoring as we will see on an F-35. The need to keep the nose on the enemy is no longer relevant when using EODAS and HOBS missiles. I do hope supercruising is an option in the future. I see that as a better advantage than thrust vectoring.

TVC has other uses than pointing the nose at a target. You don't compromise stealth to change your pitch, you can change directions with ease at higher altitude, you can manuever in a stall, etc.

discofishing wrote:

I think the F-35B has about as much thrust vectoring as we will see on an F-35. The need to keep the nose on the enemy is no longer relevant when using EODAS and HOBS missiles. I do hope supercruising is an option in the future. I see that as a better advantage than thrust vectoring.

Thrust vectoring can really help the f-35 avoid advance missiles. With new and more advance SAM systems being made, the enemy they may not even use advance jet fighters to bring down the F-35.

neptune wrote:

AIM-120C-6; $400,000; MACH 4.0+; TURNING G 20+; RANGE 30+ MILES; 40 LBS. OF HIGH EXPLOSIVE BLAST-FRAGMENTATION;

can you out run or out turn this? Question

check6

LoL, munny. So true...

Neptune: no, you can't out run or out turn a C-6 (well, maybe outrun if you turn and burn after launch detection @ 25-30nm?), but unfortunately you could yes, most likely in the future out-jam it and out-spoof/decoy it (as much as we/them could have in the past)... hence the snafu inevitable WVR reality, once again repeating history.. So then what to do - once in WVR? Well, that is of course the prevailing design concern even today when designing actual tactical fighter platforms and their expected WVR a2a weapon ordnance in particular.

Um... no.

TVC cannot out-turn an AAM or SAM.

SpudmanWP wrote:

Um... no.

TVC cannot out-turn an AAM or SAM.

TVC will at least help along with advance EW and advance sensors to see where everything is.

SpudmanWP wrote:

Um... no.

TVC cannot out-turn an AAM or SAM.

True that....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g4_jzqBJnA

Thanks munny. Bloody Hell, no.4 scenario is a killer!

munny wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g4_jzqBJnA

Cute, they masked the infrared beacon in that last shot. And notice the spiked exhaust plumages readily showing in the thermal images on the first two? Nothing screams 'hear I am' like a great big torch. I thought the government was trying to get away from the rigged tests by contractors like that.

Forum: F-35 Lightning II

Trust vecturing for the F-35