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Here is a cool video of the S300 PMU-1 ..... nothing that F-22 / SDB can't handle... Very Happy

http://www.aviation.ru/www.rusarm.ru/video/S-300PMU.wmv

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I'm just a civilian, but that missile's maneuverability is impressive. The "Mission Impossible" theme is an interesting choice as the mission of shooting down a USAF stealth jet or wild weasal is nearly impossible these days! I have to agree with you, elp, nothing we can't handle. I can also think of a few other combinatoins for taking it out. Combinations like B-2 or F-117 with JDAM or many jets with HARM.

Still trying to find the price on one of those batterys. From what I have heard , they are pricey. According to a friend, don't know if Russia uses that exact type as PMU1 might be made for export?? Or Russia does use it. Don't know ( public consumption mind you ) Russia does have varients of it.

China has it ( along with other varients of the type ) , Greece has it ( kinda odd ), and Vietnam has ordered it.

Some old news here....

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Russia to sell surface-to-air missiles to Vietnam

MOSCOW (AFP) Aug 22, 2003

Russia has signed a contract to sell Vietnam two battalions of S-300PMU1 surface-to-air missiles in a deal worth 200 million dollars (184 million euros), Interfax quoted military sources as saying Friday. The source said the agreement was struck during the MAKS-2003 air trade show now underway on the outskirts of Moscow, and that the missiles would be delivered to Vietnam in 2005.

The missile has a range of up to 200 kilometers (120 miles) and travels at a speed of up to three kilometers per second, according to the Federation of American Scientists military research group. The Vedomosti business daily separately reported that the deal can actually be worth 300 million dollars.

A very dangerous family of missiles for sure, but managable hopefully.

I might post some links of videos of some of the other varients of that missile but the Russian disco music is just a bit much. ( picture the two Chech brothers from the old Saturday Night Live ).... "We go to disco... Yes? "

Here is probably the best ( most simple, easy to understand... ) summary of the S-300 , S-400 SAMs..

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http://www.acig.org/forum/viewtopic.php ... sc&start=2

that SAM looks evil

That thing could give it's opposition a serious run for their money, lol-i agree with elp,

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nothing that F-22/SDB can't handle

Active Member Joined: Jan 06, 2004 - 03:22 PM Posts: 209

I agree with Cylon

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elp wrote:

Here is a cool video of the S300 PMU-1 ..... nothing that F-22 / SDB can't [Link pending approval]

I agree S300 PMU-1 is not a threat to F-22. I', not so sure about newer systems such as s-400 which come with impressive specifications.

My country (Greece) has acquired two S-300 systems which were originally ordered by Cyprus but were not installed in the island due threats from turkey that would bomb the batteries as soon as they were intalled on the island. As this would mean certain war ot Turkey and Greece, a compromise was reached by transferring the systems to Greece and installing them at Crete. These systems are now operational though there were initially problems with their integration in the Greeck CGI and air defence command network (obviously due to different specifications and protocols of Soviet systems compared to NATO). S300 was also one of conteders for Greeces purchase of a long range SAM together with PATRIOT. Finally the latter was chosen (Greece currently has 8 systems) though according to persistent rumors the choice was rather a result of political pressure rather than technical superiority of the American system. Some even put it less mildly talking about blackmail. Nevermind, the important thing is that there are no first hand reports about the system's performance with the HAF.
However for another soviet system the OSA-AK ([Link pending approval] SA-8 Gecko) system Greece there are reports and they are unanimously enthusiastic. The system though old has shown an impressive performance. In exercises conducted at northern Greece against HAF F-16 it was shown that once SA-8 locked on an F-16 it was very difficult to break the lock (only a 10-20% chance) even using full power ECM.
This may indicate that the poor reputation of Ex-Soviet and currently Russian SAM's have acquired in the past both as systems and as Air Defence philosophy is rather due to their ineffective usage rather than the systems themselves.
This ineffective usage was either a result of an erroneous doctrine ([Link pending approval] centralized CGI as in Iraq) or/and poor training of the operators of the systems (Arabs against IAF). I think in the right hands even an old soviet SAM can become a very dangerous opponent (Kosovo for example) especially when they are augmented with passive detectors (IR, IIR, LLTV cameras) which makes them less immune to SEAD operations.
Concluding, I think that in the future SAM's will be the most dangerous opponent for stelthy aircraft (F-22 included), since it is easier to develop advanced ground based sensors and computer systems rather than aerial ones where weight concerns can be a setback

the SA-8 can't get to a very high altitude so if one is worried one can fly outside it's effective range then the system won't get any kills it will look bad in statistics but it has actually done it's job better then a system that has to shoot down attackers.

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