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Sep 3, 2009 F-16Is grounded for inspection after one suffers engine failure

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1251804476630&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
http://www.f-16.net/news_article3813.html

What happened tho those nice birds?

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renatohm wrote:

What happened tho those nice birds?

And your point? Evil or Very Mad

The last time I looked the F-16 only has one motor!

The crew identified an engine anomaly and decided to shut her off relying on the numerous redundant systems to allow for a successful dead stick landing.

Since the yellow handles weren’t pulled resulting in a smoking hole … All is Well?

That's how I read the story! Wink

I agree, all is well. I'm sure the problem will be identified. (At least to those who need to know Wink

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Any landing you can walk away from... Cheers

Good job guys!

TEG

Newbie Joined: Mar 23, 2009 - 10:22 PM Posts: 16

So ...

what is the daffynition/origin of the term "dead stick" ?????

vadrp wrote:

So ...

what is the daffynition/origin of the term "dead stick" ?????

PM sextusempiricus, ( or ask Jeeves)
Because he is a “consultant” and has all the answers … plus gives you a third grade spelling lesson along the way?

I liked the part about 'Training Missions' being cancelled. Really?

Dead-stick landing and airplanes grounded on Wednesday.

Inspections performed and grounding order lifted beginning Thursday.

Sounds like they have a pretty clear bead on what they are looking for.

From the JP article:

Quote:

...an F-16I, on a routine flight, experienced an unusual engine malfunction..

As opposed to what? A "usual" engine malfunction? Laughing

Gotta wonder about journalists sometimes.

Term dead-stick, I have heard two origins through the years. The first was the term stick referring to wood props and when they were no longer turning. The term meant a dead stick of wood doing nothing.

The second version I heard was in the early days of powered flight controls the hydraulic pumps would be engine driven with little redundancy so when you lost the engine or engines you lost flight controls, hence the term dead-stick. I think this is a far reach since even with no assistance you still had a mechanical link to flight controls until fly by wire came along.

I would guess the first version might be the origin?

Don't worry someone smart will come along shortly...

Newbie Joined: Mar 23, 2009 - 10:22 PM Posts: 16

03fomoco ... every paragraph you wrote is exactly correct ... many thanks ... I owe you one ... Cheers

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadstic ... ected=true

from wikipedia

Throttle stock in A/B, so they had to chocke it with the Fuel Master Switch. Crew flew for about 20 min. to burn fuel and position the jet in a good position so they could make a sucsesful flame out pattern.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 05,00.html

Why would you not go to SEC? That's a lot of S turns to setup for? I guess it all worked out and armchair what if's don't matter anyways, disregard.

Selecting SEC was probably the first thing the pilot did terminating AB … so now the motor is in MIL (still too much power for landing)

The motor will auto transfer to SEC any time she is shut off in flight because the computer thinks something is wrong and takes action.

Practicing SFO’s (Simulated Flame-out) approaches is priceless in my opinion!

Remember this incident?
http://usaf.aib.law.af.mil/F-16D_18Mar05.pdf

Quote:

Practicing SFO’s (Simulated Flame-out) approaches is priceless in my opinion!

Depends on how you practice it! Worldwide more Vipers have been lost or heavyly damaged during a SFO practice then saved during a real flameout. One of the major causes is the pilot failing to arrest the sink rate on the roundout and touching down to hard.
Just ask the Dutch......

http://www.f-16.net/aircraft-database/F ... file/1967/

I know for a fact that this is the reason some airforces (the RDAF included) do not allow pilots to practice SFO's to a full landing, but only down to a low (100 ft.) approach.

But then again, if we did'nt practice it at all we would not have a chance in a real emergency.