Forum: F-16 Simulators

Hi guys, just letting you all know that FreeFalcon5 is a great sim, downloaded it and tried it out and to my surprise you can actually fly the F-22 (along with about 20 other planes). Most have pretty detailed 2 and 3-D cockpits. The sim is so good it reminded me of the Jane's series. Great graphics and great flying. It has a few bugs (even with the hotfix) but hey, it's free, and it KICKS a$$!

Go to freefalcon.com and click on Forums. There you should find the links to the game and the hotfix. If you're like me and have been waiting for ages for an F-22 sim, this is for you. But you can also fly many other planes, for example:

Various F-16 versions
F-15C and E
F-14
F-18
Su-27
MiG-29
F-4 Phantom

There are alot of other flyable planes too.

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Tinito_16 wrote:

you can actually fly the F-22

Yes of course. But the flight model will remain the Viper's.

As a rule of thumb: all other flyable aircraft in Falcon 4.0 based sims are not worth flying as they all have Viper's flight model. It is the ultimate F-16 simulation after all. You have to drive the Viper. Exclamation

Not really, there was a lot of work invested into flight models for various aircraft. FF5 features a lot of cockpits as well. The main limitation lies in the avionics which are that of the F-16, albeit some modifications are possible.

Any F-111s?

EF-111A and F-111F are in there, but they use the F-16s cockpit. But it might be possible to use an alternative cockpit (A-6) or develope one. AFAIK there is also a freeware cockpit for the F-111, aöbeit I have no idea if it still works with FF5.

saintwarrior wrote:

Tinito_16 wrote:

you can actually fly the F-22

Yes of course. But the flight model will remain the Viper's.

As a rule of thumb: all other flyable aircraft in Falcon 4.0 based sims are not worth flying as they all have Viper's flight model. It is the ultimate F-16 simulation after all. You have to drive the Viper. Exclamation

Actually, I did notice quite a difference. I came in believe it would be like you said, every plane would fly like the Viper and they would all have F-16 pits, but I found out the developers actually put in alot of effort into most of the flyable planes. The vast majority have individual 3D cockpits, and about half have their own 2D cockpit as well. And I did notice a difference when I flew the F-22 vs when I flew the F-15 and the F-16. Even though I read somewhere in their forum that "thrust vectoring is not modeled", the F-22 can turn up it's tailpipe. And you can do 950 knots down on the deck no problem. I did an all out climb once and got to 92,000 ft. The most I ever got to with the F-16 was 70,000+. The thing is monstrous.

I will agree however that more work needs to be put in to develop the avionics for each individual plane. That is one of the only things I found still missing. In any case, I love to fly it. Cool

Tinito_16 wrote:

The vast majority have individual 3D cockpits, and about half have their own 2D cockpit as well.

Do you know the actual story how the greatest fighter sim of all times Falcon 4.0 was born? Developers were able to do this just because Viper is perhaps the most non-classified fighter jet. They had all sources on their desks and did the greatest simulation.

In case of other flyable models, the roots are like "one magazine posted this, another one that" and so on. They were creating basing on rumour precise information. I understand, someone desperately wants to fly F-22 but will it be an F-22 actually?

You should always compare what someone says with what is actually available out there.

Regards and good hunting. Cool

The F-16 as we can fly it nowadays in F4 is by far not the same as that in the original release. When it comes to non F-16 aircraft in F4, some of them got more attention others less, but the number of aircraft which get attention is increasing. You'll ever have limitations inherent to the fact that F4 is an F-16 simulator. But with all the work bing done on several aircraft it becomes quite an interesting experience when flying other aircraft. Unless something substantially new is developed F4 variants remain the best possiblity to fly various types in a compareably realistic environment.

saintwarrior wrote:

Tinito_16 wrote:

The vast majority have individual 3D cockpits, and about half have their own 2D cockpit as well.

Do you know the actual story how the greatest fighter sim of all times Falcon 4.0 was born? Developers were able to do this just because Viper is perhaps the most non-classified fighter jet. They had all sources on their desks and did the greatest simulation.

In case of other flyable models, the roots are like "one magazine posted this, another one that" and so on. They were creating basing on rumour precise information. I understand, someone desperately wants to fly F-22 but will it be an F-22 actually?

You should always compare what someone says with what is actually available out there.

Regards and good hunting. Cool

Yeah, I hear ya. But it's ok if we don't show our cards anyhow. What I was saying was, the avionics obviously change between the F-22 and the F-16. Since there will be future patches and upgrades, they might include this. But hey, before the only place I could fly an F-22 was FSX. Now I can actually fight with it, and it's pretty kickass. I don't mind if our military keeps a few secrets though Cool

F4:AF for me is more than just an ultimate simulator of F-16C Fighting Falcon. The availability of 510th Fighter Squadron in Operation Powederkeg campaign gives the opportunity to participate in the events, that happened 10 years ago during NATO liberation of Kosovo. I like the authenticity very much Thumb

Here are a few screenshots of me taking the F-22 to it's limits in speed and height. Pretty cool Cool

You can't see it there (I don't know how to make the pics bigger, if anyone can help plz), but max speed in level flight was 900+ knots @ 17,000 ft, max height was 99,300 ft.

saintwarrior wrote:

Tinito_16 wrote:

you can actually fly the F-22

Yes of course. But the flight model will remain the Viper's.

As a rule of thumb: all other flyable aircraft in Falcon 4.0 based sims are not worth flying as they all have Viper's flight model. It is the ultimate F-16 simulation after all. You have to drive the Viper. Exclamation

Non F-16 flight models are actually totally different as they differ in things such as acceleration, thrust at certain altitudes, wing area, roll rates, turn rates, etc. Accuracy, of course, depends on the availability of information on the aircraft, so the most accurate FMs in the game are probably the F-16, F-15, F-14 and older fighters like the F-4, which have more abundant information about them. While probably more than some of the information on the F-22 is guessed, the ingame aircraft does try to match the characteristics of the real one in terms of basic things like thrust, lift, and acceleration. Plus, it can do everything that has been described of the aircraft, so it can't be that far off, right?

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Do you know the actual story how the greatest fighter sim of all times Falcon 4.0 was born? Developers were able to do this just because Viper is perhaps the most non-classified fighter jet. They had all sources on their desks and did the greatest simulation.

In case of other flyable models, the roots are like "one magazine posted this, another one that" and so on. They were creating basing on rumour precise information. I understand, someone desperately wants to fly F-22 but will it be an F-22 actually?

You should always compare what someone says with what is actually available out there.

Regards and good hunting. Cool

Its true that the capabilities of the F-22 in FreeFalcon are mostly given from hearsay, but I think the team has given the basic feel of what it is like to operate a 5th generation fighter in a combat environment in terms of detectability, lethality, and handling qualities. The most lacking thing, I think, are the avionics, which are basically the F-16's, albeit with longer range, faster locking, and lower detectibility. So it can do everything that has been described of the Raptor in exercises, such as kill without ever showing up on an RWR, only in a much more archaic avionics interface.

PS to Tinito_16: If you press O to disable the AOA limiter, which is limited to 60, you can actually do things like Cobras, Kulbits (maybe), and tailslides.

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PS to Tinito_16: If you press O to disable the AOA limiter, which is limited to 60, you can actually do things like Cobras, Kulbits (maybe), and tailslides.

Yeah! I knew about that but the only plane I had to put it in practice with was when I fought another F-22. I put it 1v1 BFM, no missles just guns. I thought, why the heck is he outturning me? Then I disabled the AOA limiter. Holy cow, it turns like nobody's business. There's a point where if you get below 360 knots but above 280-290 and snap the stick back you can turn 180 degrees in about a second. Only problem is when you get out of the maneuver you're going only 100 knots, but it is great for snapshots and when the guy is hot on your tail and about to take a shot. Now I dominate in BFM-Only guns. Still learning with the missiles Crazy Pilot

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