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Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 09:08 PM
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Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 09:34 PM
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Can we get more specific details? I'm going to deny it's capabilities until I get classified documents, then I will say they are falsified.
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Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 09:42 PM
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| I'm sure some of the reguler 'experts' we here from will have already figured out how to defeat the F-35, they should be arriving soon... |
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Posted: Jul 04, 2009 - 03:03 AM
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I'm sure some of the reguler 'experts' we here from will have already figured out how to defeat the F-35, they should be arriving soon...
As opposed to lets say... the cheerleaders?  |
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Posted: Jul 04, 2009 - 03:09 AM
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| Recognition of success doesn't exactly equate to cheerleading. |
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Posted: Jul 04, 2009 - 05:06 AM
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I wonder if the Prowlers of VAQ-138 took part.
VAQ-138 are stationed on the USS John C. Stennis (CVN 74) , which did take part in Northern Edge 2009. |
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Posted: Jul 04, 2009 - 05:26 AM
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| Details on this would be great. I imagine they used the CATbird (simulating the F-35) to test its effectiveness but the big question in my mind is a carry on from your question. What airframes did they use against it? I can pretty much assume F-16s, F-15s and F/A-18s but were there any F-22 playing and did they work it out against it? Or am I totally misreading this? |
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Posted: Jul 04, 2009 - 05:46 AM
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VAQ-138 were part of NE2009, but I do not know if they flew against the APG-81.
http://www.pnwlocalnews.com/whidbey/wnt/news/49550837.html
I do know that VX-9 was there, with F-18's (maybe Growlers since they have all three versions).
The NG test bird is a BAC 1-11 that has the APG-81 in the nose. Here is a site that has pics of both the F-22s and BAC 1-11 at NE2009 http://www.aereo.jor.br/?p=8657 |
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Posted: Jul 04, 2009 - 06:24 AM
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Looks like VX-9 brought Super Hornets
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VX-9 ‘Vampires’ test their limits in Alaska
by Marine Sgt. Zachary Dyer
Northern Edge 2009 Joint Information Bureau
6/25/2009 - ELMENDORF AIR FORCE BASE, Alaska -- Among the 9,000 servicemembers in Alaska for Northern Edge 2009 is a squadron of Sailors, Marines and civilians doing more than just testing themselves against their sister services.
The "Vampires" of Navy Air Test and Evaluation Squadron 9 are tasked with the duty of evaluating new equipment and tactics for the Navy and Marine Corps.
For Northern Edge, the Vampires brought six of their F/A-18 Super Hornets to the "Last Frontier" to fly alongside more than 200 aircraft from the Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps and Army
"This is probably the most joint exercise I've been in during 25 years of service," said Navy Capt. Dan Doster, the commanding officer of VX-9. "Last night I was working with the ship, I was working F-22s, F-15s and F-18s all in one exercise. Normally you don't see that."
The main mission of the Vampires is to conduct operational tests for the Navy and Marine Corps' tactical aircraft.
"We call it Sailor proofing, Marine proofing," explained Doster. "We go ahead and use, as much as possible, fleet maintainers and fleet aviators, who get assigned to the squadron - and we go ahead and use fleet tactics, and that's how we test it. We go ahead and put it in a real-world situation, and say 'Does it work?'."
The second mission of the Vampires, based out of Naval Air Weapons Station China Lake, Calif., is to develop new tactics to correspond with the aircraft they evaluate. Before sending platforms like the F/A-18 Super Hornets or the Marine Corps' new AH-1Z Cobras and UH-1Y Hueys to the fleet, the Marines and Sailors of VX-9 develop their own "playbooks" to go with the aircraft, explained Doster.
According to Doster, that's what drew the Vampires to come to Alaska and participate in the Northern Edge - the opportunity to develop new tactics while working with a wide variety of aircraft.
"What makes it really good for us is that the morning events have been large force exercises, but in the afternoon events we can break off and take lessons learned from those morning events and go down more to the unit level or work with units that we particularly have an interest in," explained Doster. "And then we can do some of our tactics development objectives and testing. We can try new tactics and bring them back to the large force exercise."
While the pilots train in the sky, the maintainers and ordnancemen are doing their very own training on the ground to become more proficient at their respective jobs.
"I'm happy to be a part of a large-scale mission like this," said Petty Officer 2nd Class John Dixon, an aviation ordnanceman with the Vampires. "From what I've been told, this is going to change the way we fight air-to-air combat wars. This is going to change the way we go against our foes. It's a big deal. We're sharpening the edge on the tip of the spear."
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Posted: Jul 04, 2009 - 06:58 AM
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Recognition of success doesn't exactly equate to cheerleading.
Basing unilateral support for a 3,000 unit production over the next 25 yrs (at any cost) with only preliminary success achieved thus far (on the world's most complex, multi-block fighter program in history) could be equated to the cheerleading comment part?
I.E., any modern fighter program in itself which requires 3,000 production units purchased in order to be successful, is a spurious project from inception? |
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Posted: Jul 04, 2009 - 07:57 AM
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| name another program that had eight nations involved at its inception...name another program that not only had eight member nations participating but another four observing...if you can't its because its never happened before. if you examine other programs in the modern era (i'm only counting since 1990...) then you'll realize that it takes a large production run in order to get economies of scale. otherwise you'd be dealing with a Typhoon or Eurofighter. The only aircraft that is "affordable" is the Super Hornet and as much as I like that airplane its a transitional design. |
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Posted: Jul 04, 2009 - 08:30 AM
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elp wrote:
As opposed to lets say... the cheerleaders?
As oppossed to the experts who fly and operate the machine and not some guy who has photgraphed a few jets in the past  |
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Posted: Jul 04, 2009 - 08:39 AM
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This is great news, they are already doing live exercises (probably the most realistic in history) with some of the electronics before they get into full scale production. Has this ever happened before? I know "for a fact" when this aircraft does become operational it will have problems at first. Name a fourth gen aircraft that did not. They are cramming more toys onto one stealthy platform than has ever been thought up, most of which are barely twenty years old in there inception and many are much younger. It will absolutely need some ironing out, but as you say in poker, they are pot committed. I think those are the facts, anyone care to dispute?
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Posted: Jul 04, 2009 - 09:25 AM
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Look at the dif in last years numbers and this years..... quite an increase in lab and airframe hours for the sub-systems.
It's not all about airframe flight tests.
Spring 2008
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Here is the schedule going forward as of May 2009
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Posted: Jul 04, 2009 - 04:27 PM
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