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Corsair1963
Remember, JSF Members will get the same F-35's as the US.

Don't have any links to back it up offhand, but I've heard rumblings about export F-35's being slightly less stealthly than U.S. F-35's. I don't have Top Secret clearance so I can't vouch for how true or untrue that might be, but I'm pretty sure I saw somewhere on aviationweek.com the idea of export F-35's having a different jammer suite at some point in time to compensate. I'll try and see if I can dig out a link out of my browser bookmarks and/or social bookmark site (my google skills seem to be weak at the moment)!

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FlightDreamz wrote:

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Corsair1963
Remember, JSF Members will get the same F-35's as the US.

Don't have any links to back it up offhand, but I've heard rumblings about export F-35's being slightly less stealthly than U.S. F-35's. I don't have Top Secret clearance so I can't vouch for how true or untrue that might be, but I'm pretty sure I saw somewhere on aviationweek.com the idea of export F-35's having a different jammer suite at some point in time to compensate. I'll try and see if I can dig out a link out of my browser bookmarks and/or social bookmark site (my google skills seem to be weak at the moment)!

Lockheed Martin has clearly stated that the export version of the F-35. Will be the very same as US Examples.

FlightDreamz wrote:

Quote:

Corsair1963
Remember, JSF Members will get the same F-35's as the US.

Don't have any links to back it up offhand, but I've heard rumblings about export F-35's being slightly less stealthly than U.S. F-35's. I don't have Top Secret clearance so I can't vouch for how true or untrue that might be, but I'm pretty sure I saw somewhere on aviationweek.com the idea of export F-35's having a different jammer suite at some point in time to compensate. I'll try and see if I can dig out a link out of my browser bookmarks and/or social bookmark site (my google skills seem to be weak at the moment)!

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JSF Chief Slams Boeing on F-15

By Colin Clark Wednesday, June 17th, 2009 2:52 am
Posted in Air, International, Policy
The general building the F-35 called Boeing on the carpet here at the Paris Air Show, saying they were misleading customers as they marketed the F-15 “Silent Eagle.”

My colleague Andrea Shalal-Esa of Reuters interviewed Brig. Gen. David Heinz, program executive officer for the F-35. “So for Boeing to make statements about a ‘dumbed down’ variant … is absolutely incorrect and it is speculative and I believe, a very disappointing marketing ploy to drum up business,” she quoted Heinz as saying.

Jim Albaugh, the head of Boeing’s IDS, said earlier this week that the F-15 version would offer customers as much stealth as the government allows for export in tersm of its front radar cross section.

“We are not trying to say that this is an airplane that has full-aspect stealth capability,” Albaugh said. “It doesn’t. But from the front, “it has all the stealth that has been approved for export by the U.S. government.”

One of the things that may have left Gen. Heinz fuming is his belief that Boeing has been telling international customers for the F-35 that the US is selling a less stealthy version of the plane than they are buying.

He said foreign countries who bought the F-35 would be subject to a U.S. disclosure process and U.S. export controls, but the aircraft being sold today were the same airplanes that were also being built for the U.S. military services.

Boeing’s military aircraft president Chris Chadwick said the F-15 was being marketed only to existing F-15 customers, and was not in direct competition with the F-35.

“If there are other customers who would like to talk to us about the enhanced version of the F-15 (the Silent Eagle) we’d be happy to discuss,” he said, responding to Heinz’s remarks.

Boeing’s F-15 and F-18 fighter jets are competing against Lockheed’s F-16 for massive fighter jet orders around the world. Analysts say Boeing, the top U.S. exporter and the Pentagon’s No. 2 supplier in prime contracts, risks getting edged out of the fighter market altogether as the U.S. government focuses more and more on the F-35.

Keen to keep its fighter production lines open, Boeing in March unveiled an F-15 version that offers some radar-evading capability as an alternative for countries that can’t afford the F-35 fighter being developed by Lockheed for the United States and eight other countries.

Boeing has said it is speaking to companies in the United States and abroad about co-funding development of a new F-15 version aimed at Asian and Middle East markets that would incorporate coatings to help avoid detection by radar.

Heinz first criticized how Boeing was marketing its F-15 Silent Eagle at a news conference in Washington on June 2, and also took a swipe at its radar-evading capabilities.

PART TWO

PARIS, June 16 (Reuters) - The head of the Pentagon's F-35 fighter program blasted on Tuesday what he called Boeing Co's (BA.N) inappropriate marketing of a new F-15 fighter model with radar-evading capabilities that it is marketing as an alternative to the Lockheed Martin Corp-built (LMT.N) F-35.

Brigadier Gen. David Heinz, program executive officer for the F-35, said Boeing was free to market its F-15 "Silent Eagle" plane, but rejected a claim by Boeing executives that Washington was selling a "dumbed down" version of the F-35 to international partners.

"I state categorically that I am not doing a different variant of aircraft for my international partners today," Heinz told Reuters in an interview at the Paris Air Show.

Well that puts that theory to bed, thanks for the info Corsair1963!

FlightDreamz wrote:

Is it just me or does it seem like the F-22's price was intentionally inflated to steer potential customers towards the F-35 Lightning II instead?

It's a real number and no, not inflated.

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