Forum: F-35 Lightning II

Tinito_16 wrote:

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So in the mid 2020's or early 2030's well start seeing the first serious technological hurdles to JSF era stealth techniques except oops we've been working on next gen counters and upgrading the F-35. Point is these kind of things are planned for.

I sure hope so. And yes, it is more than just turning up the juice... don't want to get too specific here. Anyways a system as big as what would be required today would probably be too obvious... Wink

LOL there is nothing to get specific about. Are you implying something? The point is you cannot just boost the power and then all problems are solved. There are issues of component compatibility, SNR, processing power and associated RF performance issues as well. After all this is done you have to built these systems in quantity at reasonable cost and deploy them. Its a decade or two long process in some cases. Go look at the S-400 system. It was announced in the 1990s and is still barely operational. It won't realize full potential until well into the next decade AT BEST.

-DA

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LOL there is nothing to get specific about. Are you implying something? The point is you cannot just boost the power and then all problems are solved. There are issues of component compatibility, SNR, processing power and associated RF performance issues as well. After all this is done you have to built these systems in quantity at reasonable cost and deploy them. Its a decade or two long process in some cases. Go look at the S-400 system. It was announced in the 1990s and is still barely operational. It won't realize full potential until well into the next decade AT BEST.

-DA

You didn't get it. I think it's better that way.

Tinito_16 wrote:

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LOL there is nothing to get specific about. Are you implying something? The point is you cannot just boost the power and then all problems are solved. There are issues of component compatibility, SNR, processing power and associated RF performance issues as well. After all this is done you have to built these systems in quantity at reasonable cost and deploy them. Its a decade or two long process in some cases. Go look at the S-400 system. It was announced in the 1990s and is still barely operational. It won't realize full potential until well into the next decade AT BEST.

-DA

You didn't get it. I think it's better that way.

Don't be silly. I wanted you to try and elaborate on it. There is nothing classified or other NDA in the context of this discussion that we cannot get into. In any event, I'm not going to get into an argument with you on things like this. Feel free to believe what makes you happy. Just know that in this case it's not a simple power issue and fielding solutions to defeat todays LO aircraft are a long way off.

-DA

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it's not a simple power issue

Obviously. Having high power is but one component.

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Tinito_16 wrote:

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it's not a simple power issue

Obviously. Having high power is but one component.

It's a potential issue. There are ways that don't require more power at all. But again, the cost and time to develop are too prohibitive.

-DA

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There is nothing classified or other NDA in the context of this discussion that we cannot get into.

I wouldn't think you'd know, anyway.

Tinito_16 wrote:

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There is nothing classified or other NDA in the context of this discussion that we cannot get into.

I wouldn't think you'd know, anyway.

I'll keep that in mind Friday at about 12AM.

-DA

It's enough to say that it isn't a simple power issue and systems designed specifically to directly counter 5th Generation fighters won't be FOC for a decade or longer in most cases. Unless you are disputing that then lets move the discussion along. NFC on this.

-DA

OK. So, basically RAND puts out this study which is proven to have no merit and John Beesley commented on it and stated what we all know by now: with stealth, internal weapons and great SA the F-35 is much better than any Su-3x. Anyone got something new?

Forum: F-35 Lightning II

Jon Beesley on RAND and F-35 air-to-air