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 Posted: May 28, 2009 - 03:30 AM
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A few questions on weapons and stores....
1. When will the AIM-9X be certified? Will the F-22 be able to carry two in one side bay? I have heard 2016 but still not clear on carry capacity.
2. Are only the two inner pylons able to carry drop tanks? Ive heard only the two inner pylons are plumbed for fuel.
3. what pylons and rails are used for external carriage of amraams? Also, on the inner pylons the raptor can carry 2 amraams along with the tanks correct?
4. lastly, has anyone heard anything more on the external "stealth carrige pod"?
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Posted: May 28, 2009 - 06:34 PM
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1. Most likely not until the HMD. Maybe sooner since the 9x has a better seeker.
2. IIRC Yes
3. I think the the 2 AMRAAM on the tank are for ferry mode only and cannot launch.
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Posted: May 28, 2009 - 08:00 PM
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| Also with #1, it'll be one 9X per side bay, no matter what the wannabe aero engineers say. There just isn't room for two. |
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Posted: May 28, 2009 - 08:33 PM
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| All four pylons were plumbed for fuel. I think the reason they use two is for lack of necessity and because of unwanted stress on the airframe. |
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Posted: May 28, 2009 - 11:34 PM
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SpudmanWP wrote:
3. I think the the 2 AMRAAM on the tank are for ferry mode only and cannot launch.
If correct, I can't see much benefit to hanging missiles on a plane if they can't be launched. WIll just impose drag and increase RCS. |
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Posted: May 29, 2009 - 12:04 AM
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popcorn wrote:
SpudmanWP wrote:
3. I think the the 2 AMRAAM on the tank are for ferry mode only and cannot launch.
If correct, I can't see much benefit to hanging missiles on a plane if they can't be launched. WIll just impose drag and increase RCS.
Exactly what I was thinking.
Does anybody have more info about this, or can anyone explain it to me?
Cause I think if this is correct, it would be like me getting in my patrol car, carrying my a MP5 with 3 extra mags, but the mags containing only dummy's.
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Posted: May 29, 2009 - 02:14 AM
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popcorn wrote:
SpudmanWP wrote:
3. I think the the 2 AMRAAM on the tank are for ferry mode only and cannot launch.
If correct, I can't see much benefit to hanging missiles on a plane if they can't be launched. WIll just impose drag and increase RCS.
This configuration is used for ferry flights when the F-22 can carry extra AMRAAMS instead of relying on airlift resources for extra missiles. Flight magazine said that the missile fins are stowed in the AIM-9X side bays. This increased ability to self-deploy is valuable. |
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Posted: May 29, 2009 - 10:18 AM
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psychmike wrote:
popcorn wrote:
SpudmanWP wrote:
3. I think the the 2 AMRAAM on the tank are for ferry mode only and cannot launch.
If correct, I can't see much benefit to hanging missiles on a plane if they can't be launched. WIll just impose drag and increase RCS.
This configuration is used for ferry flights when the F-22 can carry extra AMRAAMS instead of relying on airlift resources for extra missiles. Flight magazine said that the missile fins are stowed in the AIM-9X side bays. This increased ability to self-deploy is valuable.
Still seems strange to me though. Are the pilots expected to fire off their missiles then land and detach the missiles, attach the fins and reattach to the jet while waiting for their ground crews to arrive on slower C-17/C-5 transports?.LOL |
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Posted: May 29, 2009 - 02:45 PM
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popcorn wrote:
psychmike wrote:
popcorn wrote:
SpudmanWP wrote:
3. I think the the 2 AMRAAM on the tank are for ferry mode only and cannot launch.
If correct, I can't see much benefit to hanging missiles on a plane if they can't be launched. WIll just impose drag and increase RCS.
This configuration is used for ferry flights when the F-22 can carry extra AMRAAMS instead of relying on airlift resources for extra missiles. Flight magazine said that the missile fins are stowed in the AIM-9X side bays. This increased ability to self-deploy is valuable.
Still seems strange to me though. Are the pilots expected to fire off their missiles then land and detach the missiles, attach the fins and reattach to the jet while waiting for their ground crews to arrive on slower C-17/C-5 transports?.LOL
No, but the ability to get to a hot spot, land, hot pit refuel while downloading the tanks and have at least a partial reload upon completion of that first mission all while your airlift is still on it's way would be worth something. It's like when B-47s and B-52s would forward deploy with their weapons bays full of spares and tools with a crew chief tagging along in a jump seat. |
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Posted: May 30, 2009 - 05:45 AM
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| Are the side bays large enough to hold AMRAAM's instead of Sidewinders??? |
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Posted: May 30, 2009 - 09:59 PM
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| Nope, a -9M barely fits in there. |
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Posted: May 31, 2009 - 04:58 AM
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Lightndattic wrote:
popcorn wrote:
psychmike wrote:
popcorn wrote:
SpudmanWP wrote:
3. I think the the 2 AMRAAM on the tank are for ferry mode only and cannot launch.
If correct, I can't see much benefit to hanging missiles on a plane if they can't be launched. WIll just impose drag and increase RCS.
This configuration is used for ferry flights when the F-22 can carry extra AMRAAMS instead of relying on airlift resources for extra missiles. Flight magazine said that the missile fins are stowed in the AIM-9X side bays. This increased ability to self-deploy is valuable.
Still seems strange to me though. Are the pilots expected to fire off their missiles then land and detach the missiles, attach the fins and reattach to the jet while waiting for their ground crews to arrive on slower C-17/C-5 transports?.LOL
No, but the ability to get to a hot spot, land, hot pit refuel while downloading the tanks and have at least a partial reload upon completion of that first mission all while your airlift is still on it's way would be worth something. It's like when B-47s and B-52s would forward deploy with their weapons bays full of spares and tools with a crew chief tagging along in a jump seat.
Gotcha. Just had this amusing vision of pilots trying to assemble and attach missiles to their jets..LOL |
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Posted: May 31, 2009 - 04:13 PM
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| Early in the program Paul Metz did a demonstration for a TV show where in a simulator he attacked several sukhois with his jet being nose cold (no radar) and his wingman providing targeting data to him via data link. So a F-22 can employ its weapons without emitting itself but how this is done and what kind of envelope it has for supporting weapons in flight is the real classified stuff. |
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Posted: May 31, 2009 - 08:02 PM
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BDF wrote:
Early in the program Paul Metz did a demonstration for a TV show where in a simulator he attacked several sukhois with his jet being nose cold (no radar) and his wingman providing targeting data to him via data link. So a F-22 can employ its weapons without emitting itself but how this is done and what kind of envelope it has for supporting weapons in flight is the real classified stuff.
I would imagine it'd be similar to the exercises where the F-22s could see what the F-15/16/18 pilots were locked on to, and provide additional situational awareness to avoid double targetting etc.... except in reverse where the wingman's sensor info was datalinked to the EMCON bird. |
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