Forum: General

Baz,
You are correct. You get a cookie. Lacking a functional scientific calculator, I got the arccos of 1/9 from a NASA chart. Silly me to trust a bunch of rocket scientists. Blame them. Using the formulas I used before (with the correct bank angle), yields a turn rate of 17.3 degrees per second at 0.85M / 9g - basically, the same relative difference. Why would I want to fly around at 0.9M doing 9g anyway? Not a very efficient turn.

I'll ask Vinnie (Maj Doug Russell) what he thinks. He was at my house yesterday. He lives right around the corner. I hired him here at Nellis to be my operations officer when he left Laage. I bet he wasn't quoted as saying the MiG wasn't a better turning airplane than the Eagle either. OBTW - I was the first exchange pilot in Laage.

Prove that the -220 is more efficient than the RD-33 because of the variable inlet system. I'm not saying it isn't. The Fulcrum has a variable inlet system also. In fact, how about your bonafides?

Again, believe what you want.

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bazdriver wrote:

But never forget, if needed,the F-15 can perform astonishing, short period, maneuver at very high AOA and low speed at the expense of altitude and energy. The Mig is not different in this regime.

Respectfully

F-15D, S/N 85-0131, 30 July 2008
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EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
F-15D 85-0131
AIRCRAFT ACCIDENT INVESTIGATION BOARD
NELLIS AIR FORCE BASE, NEVADA
30 July 2008
On 30 July 2008 at approximately 1117 local (Pacific Daylight Time), F-15D serial number
85-0131 assigned to the 65th Aggressor Squadron, 57th Wing at Nellis Air Force Base, departed
controlled flight and entered into a spin while executing a planned maneuver during exercise Red
Flag 08-3. The aircraft impacted the ground 20 miles northwest of Rachel, Nevada in an
uninhabited area on the Nevada Test and Training Range (NTTR) belonging to the Bureau of
Land Management. Both aircrew ejected. The back seat observer pilot sustained minor injuries
and was rescued; the front seat pilot hit the ground before his parachute fully deployed and died
immediately upon ground impact. The aircraft and associated equipment were destroyed with
the aircraft loss valued at $38,003,021. There were no civilian casualties or additional damage.
The Board President found by clear and convincing evidence this mishap was caused by a
sudden departure from controlled flight during a routine maneuver when the mishap pilot
momentarily exceeded the allowable angle of attack. Through extensive simulation, he found
each of the following factors substantially contributed to the mishap: (1) an external wing fuel
imbalance of at least 750 pounds; (2) F-15D left yaw/roll phenomenon when configured with
two external wing tanks; and (3) a radome (nose cone) imperfection. After the mishap pilot
recovered the aircraft from the spin, spatial disorientation hampered the dive recovery. The
Board President found clear and convincing evidence that at low altitude, this spatial
disorientation was also causal to the mishap and ultimately led to the mishap pilot‘s death.
Under 10 U.S.C. 2254(d) any opinion of the accident investigators as to the cause of, or the factors
contributing to, the accident set forth in the accident investigation report may not be considered as
evidence in any civil or criminal proceeding arising from an aircraft accident, nor may such information
be considered an admission of liability of the United States or by any person referred to in those
conclusions or statements.

Respectfully

calel wrote:

Does the F-16 still has the worlds best turn rates even though the thrust vectoring of the Sukhhoi family of aircraft?

I think so other than the Raptor.

Love the bad guys @ 2:41

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2UqrlWZnXM

"S*****y" C******n, AKA FulcrumFlyer?

If you are the above individual, Good to see you on the board, you'll bring a wealth of experience and reality to the board. You won't remember me but I've attended several of your academics after you returned to the states as well as supported several FWIC classes for upgrades. I was wondering if you're going to have any Flanker experience here in the future? I'll be retiring in a couple of years and will see if I can put my Aggressor background to any use.

Baz,

If he is who I think he is, he's been there and done that, not that he needs my words to support his. I think you'll find that while he disagrees with your opinions to varying degrees, he's got a valid reason why.

F16guy

f16guy,
Yes, that would be me. No, I don't see any Flanker in my future but will be updating my Fulcrum currency (hopefully) soon as one of the privately owned MiG-29s is rapidly approaching completion and is finishing up taxi tests. The long pole in the tent is no pyros for the seat yet and I won't fly it without an operatinal ejection seat.

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