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Posted: Mar 09, 2009 - 12:15 AM
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An expert went to school and has a diploma. They have certificates, citations, merit awards, plaques, trophies and medal awards.
I expect all experts to produce some kind of proof that says that they did learn expertisse in any given profession.
An expert is professional. |
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Posted: Mar 09, 2009 - 02:23 AM
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Posted: Mar 09, 2009 - 03:28 PM
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Frank joined USAF in November 1977 he went to a fort in Brooklyn and took a bus to McGuire AFB and then to Lackland AFB. He became an Airman in six weeks boot camp.
He was posted to RAF Mildenhall and did temporary duty TDY at RAF Lakenheath.
Frank claimed he worked in the Weapons Storage Area WSA on bombs of all sizes and Sparrow, Sidewinder, Maverick, Slammer missiles.
If he really took Nuclear bombs out of the WSA and bolted them to aircraft, then that might be what he was speaking of.
He showed up in May 1979 claiming to be a nuclear weapons expert. |
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Posted: Mar 09, 2009 - 09:39 PM
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minneford wrote:
An expert went to school and has a diploma. They have certificates, citations, merit awards, plaques, trophies and medal awards.
I expect all experts to produce some kind of proof that says that they did learn expertisse in any given profession.
An expert is professional.
Just because someone has some credentials and experience does not give them carte blanche credibility. Lt. Col Thomas E. Bearden PhD (retd.) { MS (nuclear engineering), BS (mathematics - minor electronic engineering)}. I think he is somewhat of a nut. I find some of his claims so outrageous that it’s entertaining.
Soviets Shot down the space shuttle Columbia and sank the USS thrasher with EM weapons.
Flight 800 was shot down with EM weapons.
He believes streptococcal infection is a symptom of electromagnetic radiation
I’m not going to go blind over some alleged credentials or ignore my skepticism and logic.
Just because someone is a professional doesn’t necessarily mean that you should take their word as gospel. I’ve heard doctors and pain management specialists claim that the maximum amount of pain that you can feel is the equivalent of sticking your foot or hand in ice water for something like 5-20 minutes. I can tell you with absolute certainty that that is a lie to the extreme; I would think that most here would agree. I think the doctors and medical staff that claim that are complete frauds/quacks and are trying to bully and con the patients; either that or they have no clue how severe pain can be. I feel any doctor or medical professional that makes such ridiculous claims are frauds and should lose their medical licenses and should be charged criminally with torture and fraud. I feel they should be charged with murder; every time this type of fraudulent pseudoscientific rhetoric drives a patient to suicide because they are neglected.
I think credentials is just a method of filtering. A person with better credentials is more likely to know what they are doing and be a professional; but it doesn’t necessarily guarantee that they will know what they’re doing and are capable of being a professional.
Tesla was a genius and was a very good scientist expert in many respects; however he was fairly unprofessional in that he was not very good at profiting from his work.
Many geniuses throughout history have been forgotten and have had their works and discoveries dismissed, lost or overlooked because they were too busy inventing and tinkering and didn’t spend enough time documenting, getting recognition, and self-promoting.
Many discoveries have been made repeatedly before they were documented and accepted by the public.
I have met many people that alleged they had credentials and seem to have credentials and education but didn’t seem to have a clue what they were doing. I suspect many have cheated their way through school and/or job or have stolen the identities of others. I’ve had to fire many of these people. I think that's why many of these people become salesmen, management and teachers or write a book or make a movie; because they can't handle it in the real world. |
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Posted: Mar 17, 2009 - 03:19 AM
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ATFS_Crash wrote:
minneford wrote:
An expert went to school and has a diploma. They have certificates, citations, merit awards, plaques, trophies and medal awards.
I expect all experts to produce some kind of proof that says that they did learn expertisse in any given profession.
An expert is professional.
Just because someone has some credentials and experience does not give them carte blanche credibility. Lt. Col Thomas E. Bearden PhD (retd.) { MS (nuclear engineering), BS (mathematics - minor electronic engineering)}. I think he is somewhat of a nut. I find some of his claims so outrageous that it’s entertaining.
Soviets Shot down the space shuttle Columbia and sank the USS thrasher with EM weapons.
Flight 800 was shot down with EM weapons.
He believes streptococcal infection is a symptom of electromagnetic radiation
I’m not going to go blind over some alleged credentials or ignore my skepticism and logic.
Just because someone is a professional doesn’t necessarily mean that you should take their word as gospel. I’ve heard doctors and pain management specialists claim that the maximum amount of pain that you can feel is the equivalent of sticking your foot or hand in ice water for something like 5-20 minutes. I can tell you with absolute certainty that that is a lie to the extreme; I would think that most here would agree. I think the doctors and medical staff that claim that are complete frauds/quacks and are trying to bully and con the patients; either that or they have no clue how severe pain can be. I feel any doctor or medical professional that makes such ridiculous claims are frauds and should lose their medical licenses and should be charged criminally with torture and fraud. I feel they should be charged with murder; every time this type of fraudulent pseudoscientific rhetoric drives a patient to suicide because they are neglected.
I think credentials is just a method of filtering. A person with better credentials is more likely to know what they are doing and be a professional; but it doesn’t necessarily guarantee that they will know what they’re doing and are capable of being a professional.
Tesla was a genius and was a very good scientist expert in many respects; however he was fairly unprofessional in that he was not very good at profiting from his work.
Many geniuses throughout history have been forgotten and have had their works and discoveries dismissed, lost or overlooked because they were too busy inventing and tinkering and didn’t spend enough time documenting, getting recognition, and self-promoting.
Many discoveries have been made repeatedly before they were documented and accepted by the public.
I have met many people that alleged they had credentials and seem to have credentials and education but didn’t seem to have a clue what they were doing. I suspect many have cheated their way through school and/or job or have stolen the identities of others. I’ve had to fire many of these people. I think that's why many of these people become salesmen, management and teachers or write a book or make a movie; because they can't handle it in the real world.
Professionals can get and have licenses to restricted substances that are government controlled.
Professionals can testify in US Courts that they are experts in their field of work. A MD may be called upon to testify medical evidence. The Judge usually accepts the doctors findings.
Tesla was expelled from University for "Gambling and leading an irregular life.". Tesla made several fortunes like Niagara Falls and re invested the money only to lose it again. Tesla was an expert in making high voltage electrical coils that no one else could make. Today he is now known as the father of robotic weapons like remote controlled torpedoes and subs and airplanes.
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Posted: Mar 17, 2009 - 07:04 PM
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minneford wrote:
Jimmy Carter was NOT a Nuclear Expert..
Perhaps not an 'expert', but more experienced than most:
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http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq60-14.htm
After completing two years of surface ship duty, Carter chose to apply for submarine duty. Accepted, he began the six-month course at the U.S. Navy Submarine School, Submarine Base, New London, Connecticut from 14 June to 17 December 1948.
Upon completion of the course, Carter was assigned to USS Pomfret (SS 391) based at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii where he reported on board on 29 December. Pomfret left on a simulated war patrol to the western Pacific and the Chinese coast on 4 January 1949. On board, Carter qualified in a submarine on 4 February, and served as Communications Officer, Sonar Officer, Electronics Officer, Gunnery Officer and Supply Officer. On 9 March, he served as the approach officer for a simulated torpedo firing at target ships, and scored a "hit." The submarine returned to Pearl Harbor on 25 March. Soon after Carter's promotion to Lieutenant Junior Grade on 5 June 1949, Pomfret was sent in July to San Diego where the submarine operated along the California coast.
Detached from Pomfret on 1 February 1951, Carter was assigned as Engineering Officer for the precommissioning detail for USS K-1 (SSK 1). K-1, the first postwar submarine built, was under construction by Electric Boat Division, General Dynamics Corporation, Groton, Connecticut. After K-1's commissioning on 10 November 1951, Carter served as Executive Officer, Engineering Officer, and Electronics Repair Officer. During this tour he also qualified for command of a submarine.
When Admiral Hyman G. Rickover (then a captain) started his program to create nuclear powered submarines, Carter wanted to join the program and was interviewed by Rickover. On 1 June 1952, Carter was promoted to Lieutenant. Selected by Rickover, Carter was detached on 16 October 1952 from K-1 for duty with the U. S. Atomic Energy Commission, Division of Reactor Development in Schenectady, New York. From 3 November 1952 to 1 March 1953, he served on temporary duty with the Naval Reactors Branch, U. S. Atomic Energy Commission, Washington, DC to assist "in the design and development of nuclear propulsion plants for naval vessels."
From 1 March to 8 October, Carter was preparing to become the engineering officer for the nuclear power plant to be placed in USS Seawolf (SSN 575), one of the first submarines to operate on atomic power. He assisted in setting up training for the enlisted men who would serve on Seawolf. During this time his father became very sick and died in July 1953. After his father's death in 1953, Carter resigned from the Navy to return to Georgia to manage the family interests. Carter was honorably discharged on 9 October 1953 at Headquarters, Third Naval District in New York City. On 7 December 1961, he transferred to the retired reserve with the rank of Lieutenant at his own request.
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Posted: May 22, 2011 - 10:05 PM
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Hello Again!,
I'd like to personally thank all who have helped me try to figure this mystery out.
Some new facts have come out since I started this thread.
A B-52 from Minot AFB flew to Barksdale AFB loaded with live nuclear bombs.
Since this treaty violation was discovered by the press, the USAF has disciplined many at Minot AFB.
USAF men from Generals to 1st Class Airmen were punished!
An article in Popular Science or Popular Mechanics says that Airmen were court martialled for mounting the nuclear weapon.
Apparently Airmen and tech Sargents are working on nuclear weapons.
Does the US Congress know that AFB generals have non coms loading such weapons? |
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Posted: May 23, 2011 - 08:06 AM
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There is nothing wrong with the enliste folks loading such weapons, they have been doing it for decades. That is their job and they are trained intensely for it. Weapons load crews tasked with loading such weapons will qualify on loading at least once per quarter, loading SIMULATED weapons. Regarding the Minot/Barksdale incident, someone on that load crew should have discovered that the weapons they were loading were not training weapons. Regarding the folks at Lakenheath, it is public knowledge that there were 2W2X1-nuclear weapons technicians stationed there. These airmen can be considered EXPERTS. That is what they train on since their first day at tech school. The 2W1X1-armament technicians who load and maintain the weapons system in the applicable aircraft are also experts in that aspect of the field.
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Posted: May 23, 2011 - 04:43 PM
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| I'm not sure that he's got even an idea how things run in the military, and perhaps it's just me, but I sense a bit of "fishing" going on. I agree with asiatrails' post from two years ago - nothing good can come from this thread. |
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Posted: May 24, 2011 - 08:36 AM
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| Understand your point MK, obviously Minne has very little understanding of the military or the USAF. All of the information I provided can easily be accessed through official AF web material and other sources such as Janes. I'm interested to know if Minne has read this yet and was hoping for a reply. |
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Posted: May 24, 2011 - 06:47 PM
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Agreed, absolutely. In the US Military there are specific roles for both the enlisted and officer corps. In general (big generalization coming here) officers and 'leaders' and enlisted are 'doers'. That isn't always the case in other militarys around the world where their enlisted personnel, in many cases semi-trained conscripts, need to be much more closely supervised.
He might be surprised that during my time in the Air Force, other than our pilots, I doubt I even regularly even saw an officer more often than every couple of weeks or month. |
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Posted: May 29, 2011 - 02:52 AM
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I was not in the military nor USAF. I attempted to join USAF when I was 17 in 1972 during the height of the Vietnam War.
I was disqualified because I was morbidly obese. I also found out that to become a fighter pilot in the USAF, that I needed 20/20 vision. The USAF does not waste their training funding on men with 3 diopter astigmatism. I was told that if I lost weight enough to join USAF, I would wind up working on F-4E landing gear or fix turbofan engines.
I knew F-16 fighter pilots at Luke AFB with reputedly having 20/10 vision. They called these men Eagle Eyes.
Actually since I started this thread, I have discovered a lot of information I never knew.
Tech Sergeants are apparently assembling cruise missiles with live Nuclear warheads and mounting them on B-52's.
Who told the press that these USAF crew had violated a treaty?
How can these nuclear bombs be live warheads, when the bombs core that is stored in the birdcage, must be installed for the bomb to go Supercritical and explode nuclear?
The bomb cores are supposed to be stored by the DOE and not USAF.
So, if a Tech Sage in the USAF mounts B-61 warheads on BUFFs then he would be an official USAF Nuclear Weapons Loadmaster or Loadout master.
He had no Special Access, but the FBI did investigate him. He wore steel toed boots to protect his toes in case he dropped a bomb on his foot. |
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Posted: May 29, 2011 - 07:48 AM
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| Steel toed boots and 'protection' don't belong in the same sentence. More like toe clippers when something heavy falls on a foot. |
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Posted: May 30, 2011 - 07:15 AM
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