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Posted: Jan 14, 2009 - 09:14 AM
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Posted a Stars & Stripes story today F-16s replace departing Apache helo unit. Some additional material from news agencies.
The Associated Press wrote:
U.S. to send 12 F-16s to South Korea
The Associated Press
Posted : Tuesday Jan 13, 2009 9:28:03 EST
SEOUL, South Korea — The United States will deploy 12 F-16 fighter jets to South Korea to replace a fleet of Apache helicopters bound for Iraq and Afghanistan, U.S. and South Korean military officials said Tuesday.
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The U.S. military said it remains committed to the defense of South Korea. Washington has about 28,500 troops in the South as a deterrent against communist North Korea.
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Posted: Jan 14, 2009 - 05:03 PM
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| They're going to deploy F-16s? Last I checked, and I'm sitting in a HAS at Kunsan right now, there are plenty of F-16 squadrons already in-country, why deploy an asset that's already in place? |
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Posted: Jan 14, 2009 - 06:36 PM
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| Bodizzle, The point is the F-16's already in country and the Appaches are a part of a total defense force for the Korea penisula. So since the Appaches are going to iraq they need to replace them to maintain that total defense force. That part I can understand. But what doesn't make much sense to me is how an F-16 can replace the mission of a Attack Helicopter? Apparently they feel the F-16 can do the mission of those helicopters. To make an army analogy its almost as if your machine gunner is unavailable so instead of getting another machine gunner they are going to bring in more snipers to do the job. |
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Posted: Jan 14, 2009 - 06:57 PM
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| Specs, the article says nothing about having F-16s already in country and definitely says "Deploy 12 fighter jets to South Korea." This definitely indicates that they are going to pick up and move F-16s from somewhere, whether that be from somewhere else or from in-country. Which still begs the question of why when what we have here can cover the peninsula without being moved to Wonju, especially as Wonju is within spitting distance (for a jet aircfraft) of Osan. |
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Posted: Jan 14, 2009 - 07:54 PM
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Posted: Jan 15, 2009 - 04:29 PM
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Absolutely possible, Asif!! Although a bit smaller with 12 aircaft I have a "gut" feeling that it will be three ANG units with four aircraft each - much like the CO, NM and MT ANG units that deployed there in 2006.
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Posted: Jan 15, 2009 - 06:52 PM
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| In actuality, the vipers are replacing the scheduled A-10s, not the apaches directly......and pardon the dumb question, but there is a squadron of A-10s at Osan already, correct? Were they planning to expand A-10 ops in the 25th, or put up a whole different squadron someplace? 12 jets is a squadron's worth, huh? All the A-10 guys get to go play in Korea occasionally? |
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Posted: Jan 15, 2009 - 10:00 PM
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AfterburnerDecalsScott wrote:
In actuality, the vipers are replacing the scheduled A-10s, not the apaches directly......and pardon the dumb question, but there is a squadron of A-10s at Osan already, correct? Were they planning to expand A-10 ops in the 25th, or put up a whole different squadron someplace? 12 jets is a squadron's worth, huh? All the A-10 guys get to go play in Korea occasionally?
Yes, there are A-10s at Osan. I don't know how big an A-10 squadron is, but the F-16 squadrons I've been around are about twice that give or take. |
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Posted: Jan 15, 2009 - 10:14 PM
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| That and the A-10s here at Osan are pretty broke right now. One thing I've heard is that a squadron not too far away from Korea that specializes in SEAD and DEAD missions is comin' this way... |
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Posted: Jan 15, 2009 - 10:53 PM
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tokenblkguy1785 wrote:
That and the A-10s here at Osan are pretty broke right now. One thing I've heard is that a squadron not too far away from Korea that specializes in SEAD and DEAD missions is comin' this way...
Hmmmmm........... "WW" maybe
Scott - the 25th FS is home based in Osan with 26 A/OA-10s and has been so since the late 1980s and - of cause - the 36th FS with Block-40s boosting 30 Vipers!!
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Posted: Jan 16, 2009 - 04:50 AM
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| guess the 13th won't be replacing the 14th at balad |
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Posted: Jan 16, 2009 - 02:06 PM
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Strategy Page wrote:
F-16s Replacing Worn Out A-10s
January 16, 2009: U.S. plans to withdraw half its 48 AH-64 helicopter gunships from South Korea, while adding a dozen A-10C ground attacks aircraft, have been modified. The A-10s are not available, because so many of them are having their worn out (cracks are developing) wings replaced. So the air force is sending a dozen F-16s to do the job.
The A-10 was designed for low level strafing, using a 30mm cannon, but F-16s, with a new, and more powerful, gun sight, have proved to be very effective at strafing. However, F-16s moves faster than the A-10, and is more difficult to control on the deck. That's a necessary trade-off, because the F-16 is a multi-mission aircraft, while the A-10 just does ground support.
Three years ago, an F-16 pilot was killed when, on a low level strafing run in Iraq, he was momentarily distracted, and his aircraft crashed. The U.S. Air Force considers it an acceptable risk to come in that low to use its 20mm cannon on a ground target. Because of safety concerns, pilots are not allowed to perform that kind of maneuver during peacetime training. Since it's now wartime, such training is allowed. Last year, an F-16 was practicing firing at ground targets at night (where much of the action takes place in Iraq), became momentarily distracted, and shot up an SUV on a nearby highway.
While F-16 pilots are willing to come in low and use their cannon, the F-16 was not designed for this sort of thing. The aircraft is too fast. An F-16 coming in low to use cannon on ground targets is going at least 400 kilometers an hour. An A-10 can slow down to 250 kilometers an hour. In addition, the A-10 is designed to more easily maneuver down low and slow, and is armored to better survive ground fire. Not so the F-16. But the air force insists the F-16 can do the job, and pilots die as a result.
What the F-16 can do is carry a dozen or more smart bombs, and in that role it is very useful to the ground troops. The newly upgraded A-10s can also carry smart bombs.
source: http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htairf ... 90116.aspx
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Posted: Jan 16, 2009 - 10:43 PM
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Good Lord in Heaven...never let hard facts get in the way of a poorly written opinion piece.
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...F-16s, with a new, and more powerful, gun sight, have proved to be very effective at strafing.
..."the F-16 was not designed for this sort of thing. The aircraft is too fast."
Well which is it dude? It either has a "new and more powerful gunsight" ( ) that makes it "very effective at strafing", or it's too fast to do the job. Pick one already.
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However, F-16s moves faster than the A-10, and is more difficult to control on the deck.
Says who? People like the nitwit that wrote that jewel of journalistic excellence?
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"...the air force insists the F-16 can do the job, and pilots die as a result".
Ugh....how does one bring one's intellect down to his level and explain to him what an outright stupid statement that is?
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Posted: Jan 18, 2009 - 06:47 AM
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However, F-16s moves faster than the A-10, and is more difficult to control on the deck.
Says who? People like the nitwit that wrote that jewel of journalistic excellence?
(An F-16 taxiing is almost faster than an A-10 at full speed) jk
That, ladies and gentlemen is why I have stopped relying on civilian journalists to cover military news, they simply do not understand the military. The vast majority of civilian journalists don't take the time to learn background on what they are writing about. Even the bane of journalistic integrity that is Wikipedia would have set this Bozo straight:
From Wikipedia quick search for "A-10"
The A-10 Thunderbolt II is an American single-seat, twin-engine, straight-wing jet aircraft developed by Fairchild-Republic for the United States Air Force to provide close air support (CAS) of ground forces by attacking tanks, armored vehicles, and other ground targets, with a limited air interdiction capability. It is the first U.S. Air Force aircraft designed exclusively for close air support.
That is the first Paragraph from the current version of the A-10 Thunderbolt II article on Wikipedia.
A quick perusal of the text will clearly debunk any notion that the A-10 was designed for anything but attacking targets on the ground.
I am sorry for getting on my high-horse but as both a novelist and a military buff, this kind of BS gives me ulcers
PS if anyone ever sees my byline on a piece of news relating to the military, please email me with this post and the article, so I may kick myself, no kicks from feet other than my own will be accepted. |
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