Forum: Civil and General Aviation

Wow, this is pretty boneheaded

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TRAVEL/12/24/ho ... index.html

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Absolutely no excuse for this. When we de-ice, we close up the jet, and only spray the fluid in specific spots. Then again, Vark, I know that you're well familiar with the drill. Wink

Somebody's head is bound to roll over this one.

De-icers always seemed to be broke … but when operational (on a static jet) you still avoided engines, canopy’s, and airframe openings unless covered.

My first fall off an A-10 was being on top of the jet with a mop and bucket of de-icing fluid trying to make an early go!

Commercial jets are all about money … when an icing condition exists they are going to spray one jet and move to the next without taking proper precautions. (Especially on a running jet)

I will always remember sitting in a commercial jet and the de-icers were shooting everyone but us? And we were the ones that had icicles hanging off the flaps and weren’t touched? I figured they knew what they were doing, and we made it

Civil aviation is a joke.

VarkVet wrote:

Commercial jets are all about money … when an icing condition exists they are going to spray one jet and move to the next without taking proper precautions. (Especially on a running jet)
Civil aviation is a joke.

I'm not saying you're not correct, but............

It's actually the guys in the cockpit that are responsible for assuring the aircraft bleed air system is configured properly for de-icing with engines running or not (APU bleed). Guys on the ground just spray when told to.

From the indications of who went to the hospital, it sounds like they didn't shut down the left pack for some reason but did turn off the recirc fans. Just speculating, which we all tend to do, I have no idea. If they were de-iced with a door open (very unlikely, big master caution & door light) it's still the captain's fault. There was obviously some confusion here. Evidently Sea-Tac was a zoo.

Actually civil aviation de-icing is usually very efficient. Military I don't know. We just went fast to sublimate it.

Some of the other aspects of civil aviation may be a joke, but paying higher taxes "before the fact" might improve this to some extent. Nobody seems to want to until they end up off the runway in a ditch or worse. I'll take the fumes.

regards, OL

(Whether you're sealed up or not, somehow you can still smell that stuff.)

TC wrote:

Absolutely no excuse for this.
Somebody's head is bound to roll over this one.

All that being said, this is probably a true statement.

regards, OL

(Schiavo is a dilettante)

I almost forgot.

Merry Christmas.

OL

Forum: Civil and General Aviation

Passengers injured when de-icer sucked into jetliner