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How to operate IMDS



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SSgtPyle
PostPosted: Jul 04, 2008 - 05:39 AM Reply with quote Back to top
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Can anyone tell me on how to get some software or manuals, maybe even a military web site on how to operate IMDS I'M some what lost when it comes to entering maintenace work into the computer. Thanks
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I know that the military had a class awhile back when I first came in. The way I learned was by having people teach me. Most flights have a CAMS book that should spell it out for you, but for an official book or manual that tells you how to do it...I haven't seen one and I have been in for almost 13 years.
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You're kidding me right!? WTF 13 years in USAF maintnenace and don't know this!?!

Kids.... Rolling Eyes

From T.O. 00-20-2 Maintenance Data Collection "TO 00-20-2 provides policy and/or guidance for the individual maintenance activities (Chapter 8 ) for the collection and documentation of maintenance data. Maintenance personnel using this TO should be familiar with their related major command implementing directives, TOs, user’s manuals, and the following:
• AFCSM 21-5XX, Vol. 2 CAMS
• AFI 21-101 Maintenance Management Policy (MMP)
• AFI 21-108 Space Command
• AFI 21-114 ICBM
• AFI 21-116 Maintenance Management of Communications-Electronics (C-E)
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From AFI 21-101 "6.3.6.20. Maintenance Information Systems (MIS). For management of IMDS-CDB and REMIS, follow AFCSM 21-series, MAJCOM and unit procedures, and REMIS user manuals."

From AFI 21-101 "References Seciton"

AFCSM 21-556, Software Center Operator Manual, Software User Manual
AFCSM 21-558, Comprehensive Engine Management System
AFCSM 21-561, Maintenance Event Subsystem, Software User Manual
AFCSM 21-563, Job Data Documentation (JDD), Software User Manual
AFCSM 21-564, Status and Inventory Reporting, Software User Manual
AFCSM 21-565, Operational Events Subsystem, Software User Manual
AFCSM 21-566, Inspection and Time Change, Software User Manual
AFCSM 21-568, Time Compliance Technical Order (TCTO), Software User Manual
AFCSM 21-570, Training Management, Software User Manual
AFCSM 21-573, Automated Scheduling Module, Software User Manual
AFCSM 21-574, Automated Debriefing, Software User Manual
AFCSM 21-575, Job Control, Automated Maintenance Operation Control Center, Software User Manual
AFCSM 21-576, Generic Configuration Status Accounting System (GCSAS , Software User Manual
AFCSM 21-578, Product Quality Deficiency Reporting System (PQDR), Software User Manual (To be
deleted when IMDS-CDB “7R1” is fielded)
AFCSM 21-579, Maintenance-Supply Interface, Software User Manual
AFCSM 25-524, REMIS, Software User Manual

Most sections WILL NOT HAVE THESE. I believe they are hard-copy. Typically you'll find them in the T.O. library for sections like Engine Management, PS&D, Analysis, etc.

People who use IMDS/CAMS/CEMS a whole lot more. (Obviously.. Poke )

NOTE: AFI 21-101 has ALL the reference materials needed for F-16 line operations. MAJCOMs and WING sups may apply, but will also have references. Specific references are left to the tech data for your particular equipment.

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Don't laugh. I work in a fighter wing and can honestly say that maybe 20 percent of the people I work with know IMDS
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I know, just picking on them... Cheers

Truth is though, if you browse through the 21-101's reference section, almost every instruction, manual, general T.O., policy or directive is listed there.

Whenever someone says "how do i...." and it has to do with fighter maintenance; AFI 21-101 should be one of the first places one looks (or directs) for guidance.

I have to admit, when I was an A1C I "volunteered" to attend a MDC class through FTD. Then it was many long hours of typing AFTO 349s into the CAMS terminal down the hall.

Engines also have LOTS of documentation. I feel they are more complicated when it comes to IMDS then the aircraft. Add to that, everything has to be mirrored in CEMS too. Consider specific history entries for FOD, Stalls, other events; time changes, routine changes, any/all maintenance for the embedded items inside the engine, not to mention the external components. TCTOs at every level (engine, module, component) in the engine are also tracked. Inspections can be tracked by hours, cycles, or other specific catalog values; and not just on the engine, but any item in or on it.

I will add the AFCSM 21 series isn't exactly the clearest when it comes to IMDS at the lowest levels. They are written by software engineers and database administrators.... hardly the airman at the keyboard trying to take time for that engine change. (and doing it properly)

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There are also 3 CBT courses available to USAF members and contractors. One of them is TJ6AZW2AX5X 0B1A TITLE: IMDS for Backshop. Enrollment instructions are in the ETCA or see your training guy.
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Lighten up guys maybe he grew up with GO81, how many of you have that pencil whipped in your CFETP?

Step one, try and get ahold of comm flight for password.
Step two, try and create and remember an 18 position password.
Step three, repeat after your buddy thinks it is funny to lock you out again.
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Step two, try and create and remember an 18 position password.


And wait another two or three months for when they decide to go with an even longer password. I mean really! Every few months it seems we make the passwords even more complicated. Wink

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That is so that if someone took the computer from your office the won't be able to recover your password from Windows.

When a password reaches 15 characters it is unrecoverable from the system, regardless on how long you try to hack it out. Shows simply as "null"

Just be glad Bill Gates didn't pick 25 or 30 for that magic number! Rolling Eyes

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LM hash or LAN Manager hash is one of the formats that Microsoft LAN Manager and Microsoft Windows versions previous to Windows Vista use to store user passwords that are fewer than 15 characters long.

With LM, password hashes are split into two separate 7-character hashes. This actually made passwords more vulnerable because a brute-force attack could be performed on each half of the password at the same time. So passwords that were 9 characters long were broken into one 7-character hash and one 2-character hash. Obviously, cracking a 2-character hash did not take long, and the 7-character portion could usually be cracked within hours. Often, the smaller portion could actually be used to assist in the cracking of the longer portion.

One little known fact is that if a password is fifteen characters or longer, Windows does not even store the LanMan hash correctly. This actually protects you from brute-force attacks against the weak algorithm used in those hashes. If your password is 15 characters or longer, Windows stores the constant AAD3B435B51404EEAAD3B435B51404EE as your LM hash, which is equivalent to a null password. And since your password is obviously not null, attempts to crack that hash will fail.
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