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I have a question for the pros. Is there anywhere in the F-16 community a reference or chart that shows F-16 "system specific" hand signals. For example:

1. SEC check.
2. EPU check
3. Request permission to remove EPU pin.
4. Any system signals like, comm, weapons, fuel, IFR check..etc.

What should be a trivia question about stuff you pick up on OJT is getting out of hand.

Please don't refer to the 6WC unless you can quote the page because the signals there aren't what I'm looking for.

Looking for the signals that every pilot knows and every crew chief but they are not written down anywhere.

Or are they????

HELP
Rolling Eyes

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Hard to explain, but left and right hands moving up and down alternately to signal for FLSC. Think about the stabs moving up and down and that would be the same motion you make with your hands

Elite 1K Joined: Apr 26, 2004 Posts: 1198 Status: Offline

I always kicked my foot for the stabs going further down on the overide, no one ever complained.

Purple

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Google search AFI 11-218, Aircraft Operation and Movement on the Ground. Make sure you have a pillow near by, because that AFI is one of the biggest sleep agents known to man, next to CDC's.

EPU check should be 2 fingers up and twisted.

Purplehaze wrote:

no one ever complained.

Purple

Hit the nail on the head.

sd2azang wrote:

Google search AFI 11-218, Aircraft Operation and Movement on the Ground. Make sure you have a pillow near by, because that AFI is one of the biggest sleep agents known to man, next to CDC's.

Know it, Love it. Looking for the stuff beyond 11-218. What is Nellis using?

What if you contact the guys from the viper demo teams. They all do comm out launches. Then again they do a whole dog and pony show.

maddog2840 wrote:

I have a question for the pros. Is there anywhere in the F-16 community a reference or chart that shows F-16 "system specific" hand signals. For example:

1. SEC check.
2. EPU check
3. Request permission to remove EPU pin.
4. Any system signals like, comm, weapons, fuel, IFR check..etc.

What should be a trivia question about stuff you pick up on OJT is getting out of hand.

Please don't refer to the 6WC unless you can quote the page because the signals there aren't what I'm looking for.

Looking for the signals that every pilot knows and every crew chief but they are not written down anywhere.

Or are they????
HELP
Rolling Eyes

Okay how about these: two fingers pointed at your eye's (meaning turn off your landing lights)
Both hands in the air with palm pointed up and flat (means get your hand up so I can see them, no touching switches)
Right hand with index finger pointed to flat side of left hand, finger moving toward or away from left hand. (Means pin installed or removed)
And my all time favorite, making the sign of a cross, (Means I know the guy who worked on your jet) Shocked

Elite 1K Joined: Jan 31, 2004 Posts: 1532 Status: Offline

Quote:

Google search AFI 11-218, Aircraft Operation and Movement on the Ground

Heh heh....just had a look at that pub. All I can say is man.....that marshaller dude's got some big a$$ hands! Laughing

....and you ladies know what THAT means.... Wink

Enthusiast Joined: Feb 01, 2004 Posts: 77 Status: Offline

Ck the 06 workcards for launch procedures....Has some hand signals in that section even the EPU signal

I wouldn't launch a Viper comm out ... too much going on.

AFI 11-2F-16

3.1. Ground Visual Signals. Normally, pilot and ground crew will communicate by the intercom system
during all start-engine, pre-taxi and end of runway (EOR) checks. The intercom system will also be used
to the maximum extent possible anytime maintenance technicians are performing "redballs" on the aircraft
and for EPU checks performed in congested areas. The pilot will ensure that no system which could
pose any danger to the ground crew is activated prior to receiving proper acknowledgment from ground
personnel. Units with an active air defense commitment may waive use of ground intercom during alert
scrambles. When ground intercom is not used, visual signals will be in accordance with AFI 11-218, Aircraft
Operation and Movement on the Ground, and this volume. The crew chief will repeat the given signal
when it is safe to operate the system.
3.1.1. DELETED
3.1.2. The following signals augment AFI 11-218:
3.1.2.1. EPU OPERATIONAL CHECK. Raise two fingers and rotate hand.
3.1.2.2. FLIGHT CONTROLS CLEAR. Raise arm, clench fist, and make a stirring motion.
3.1.2.3. BRAKE CHECK. Hold left or right arm horizontal, open hand and push forward, breaking
at the wrist (as in applying rudder pedal pressure with feet).
3.1.2.4. LOSS OF BRAKES WHILE TAXIING. Lower tailhook.
3.1.2.5. GUN ARMAMENT CHECK. Point index finger forward with thumb upward simulating
a pistol and shake head (yes or no).
3.1.2.6. EPU ACTIVATION. Raise hand with palm open and perform shoving motion indicating
"stay away." Then cup hands over oxygen mask indicating hydrazine vapors may be present.

Maddog2840 If I understand your question you wanted to know the common or "slang" signals not what is in a T.O. right?

“3.1.2.5. GUN ARMAMENT CHECK. Point index finger forward with thumb upward simulating
a pistol and shake head (yes or no). “
I know this was in the TO but not sure what it means for F-16 unless it refers to a gun pod or a hold over from another airframe. For the ramp if I had a hot gun the last thing I want a pilot to do is turn on the gun system while I was out front!
Big No No

I think because we are in a comm. out situation, that hand signal lets the ground crew know if the pilot wants his/her gun armed or not. Nevertheless, not supposed to stand (loiter) in front of forward firing munitions … especially when they are being armed/safed up.

VarkVet wrote:

I think because we are in a comm. out situation, that hand signal lets the ground crew know if the pilot wants his/her gun armed or not. Nevertheless, not supposed to stand (loiter) in front of forward firing munitions … especially when they are being armed/safed up.

When did you ever see this on the ramp?
You pull the pin at EOR, not prior to taxi. The gun is armed prior to the aircrew arrival, the only thing you can do after the engine start is remove the safe pin, if you leave the pin installed you loose the streamer in flight.
And the load crew chief stands out front to see both sides while the crew arms or de-arms the weapons.
The only way the pilot would know if his gun is armed in the cockpit would be to have his weapons system up and running, that is violation of ALL weapons switches off safe and normal.
I still think this is one of those cases where something was carried over long after it should have been deleted. Not the first time a TO has been wrong, that’s why they have rewrites.

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