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Newbie Joined: Sep 15, 2008 Posts: 8 Status: Offline

If there are any of you guys around who worked on the C/D please give me a question to ask a poser that only someone who actually worked on the bird would know. Not something they could pick off the internet.

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Enthusiast Joined: May 29, 2008 Posts: 59 Status: Offline

You can ask where the G meter is on the C or D model. C only has a g-meter in the HUD, D model has it in the HUD or in the aft cockpit in the center console. Depending on their claimed specialty we can give you a lot more detailed questions.

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nam11b wrote:

You can ask where the G meter is on the C or D model. C only has a g-meter in the HUD, D model has it in the HUD or in the aft cockpit in the center console. Depending on their claimed specialty we can give you a lot more detailed questions.

He said he specialised in avionics.

Newbie Joined: Sep 15, 2008 Posts: 8 Status: Offline

Maybe a question about the flight computer or cable connections might be good? You don't have to give the answer right away. He might be gooling this forum as we do it.

Enthusiast Joined: May 29, 2008 Posts: 59 Status: Offline

Avionics can get pretty detailed. You can ask him what are the 4 major components of the Radar system? Which side of the A/C is the DFLCC on? Or quite simply what a DFLCC is. You can ask him what test set you use to pressure check the air data system. One of the best questions in my opinion for an avionics troop is: In a block 25-40 GAC/FCC A/C, what LRU handles bus communications in case the GAC or EFCC fails? I can give you dozens of questions, just depends how detailed you really want to get

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nam11b wrote:

Avionics can get pretty detailed. You can ask him what are the 4 major components of the Radar system? Which side of the A/C is the DFLCC on? Or quite simply what a DFLCC is. You can ask him what test set you use to pressure check the air data system. One of the best questions in my opinion for an avionics troop is: In a block 25-40 GAC/FCC A/C, what LRU handles bus communications in case the GAC or EFCC fails? I can give you dozens of questions, just depends how detailed you really want to get

I just googled a DFLCC as a Digital Flight Control Computer. That one wouldn't work. I like the test set question and the failed GAC. I doubt if he can google that.

I will get back to you with his response.

Enthusiast Joined: Aug 09, 2005 Posts: 76 Status: Offline

How bout asking where/when he was assigned. We have lots of people here that have "been around". Dependent upon where he claims, we can ask numerous questions that would never be common knowledge on the internet.

nam11b--isn't the answer to your question the same for ALL C & D models, vs a different answer for all A & B models? I'm not aware that it was block-specific in the C/Ds, but then I only worked 30s with a smattering of other blocks.

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The guy has spent over an hour replying to the question.

Newbie Joined: Sep 15, 2008 Posts: 8 Status: Offline

Ok... here is the guy's response. I knew he was goint to come to F-16.net

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You have got to be kidding me, right? You do not think I know that you lifted these questions off from f16.net? You did not even lifted it off right. What, pray tell, does 'A/C' stands for? That is the question for you. The guy that asked that question, from whom you lifted, I would guess he is/was what we used to call 'A-shop' or 'WCIN'. Flight controls is 'B-shop' or 'AI'. ComNav is 'C-shop' or 'CNAPA'. Those are old school labels. But for what you lifted, why don't you study this image...

...And give it a shot over at f16.net ?

The guy that asked about the location of the DFLCC?

http://www.f-16.net/gallery_item46110.html

That white box with the 5 'cannon' plugs may (or may not) be it...

:lol3:

But I will humor you on the air data question as I was originally a 'B-shopper'. The answer is the TTU-205. The test set weigh about 100 lbs. There are two versions: analog and digital and there are little weight differences between them. Each version is a two-man carry. You can find it here...

http://www.testvonics.com/ttu-205.htm

Now why don't you go back to f16.net and see if you can find the answer to my questions:

On an LE flap rig, what do you with the AoA probes and the pitot probe, is the TTU-205 required and why, what circuit breakers are involved, which side of the aircraft are they, can they be pulled by one man and if yes in which order and why that order?

What direction is the knurl nut on the sidestick controller and what is the safety wire gauge for it?

What are WoW switches and where are they? Does anyone like to work on them? What could happen when someone drop a piece safety wire while working on a WoW switch? Which one is the easiest to R-n-R?

What type/method of fuel quantity measurement is used on the F-16 and why that type/method? Where on the F-16 has the longest fuel quantity probes?

What happens to the F-4 tape on the pitot probe if a certain circuit breaker is not pulled on certain checks? Where on the aircraft is that circuit breaker?

Regarding FLCS power...What are those two black boxes, each with one 'cannon' plug and three wires, in the image below?

http://www.f-16.net/gallery_item46239.html

The F-16 has quadruple fly-by-wire system, so does FLCS power branch A go to FLCS branch A, or does it go to a different branch? If not, why not?

Is it true that FLCS wire bundles run through fuel tanks?

On certain checks, what happens when the sideslip probe is turned?

In maintenance parlance, what does 'canned' stands for?

In this image...

http://www.f-16.net/gallery_item105254.html

Right above the words 'LE FLAPS' are three LEDs. What are they?

Any flight controls specialist should be able to give general answers. Tell them you do not need specific panel numbers to access those circuit breakers. For my questions, may be you will find readied answers for some, but not for others, only experienced people will know.

I thought you would try to bust me on basic principles as every avionics specialist must learn basic principles for the system he is assigned, but you try to bust me on LRU locations? Heck...What make you think I am not on f16.net? Because you cannot find havok or nomad over there?

Newbie Joined: Sep 15, 2008 Posts: 8 Status: Offline

Original questions...

In a block 25-40 GAC/FCC A/C, what LRU handles bus communications in case the GAC or EFCC fails?

What test set do you use to pressure check the air data system?

Why not just ask him what his AFSC is, and what it used to be? By his response above, it appears he is who he says he is, but there are a couple of things not quite right...that could be memory issues though. I would guess he is an old-time Avionics troop, as he is saying some things that only old-time Avionics troops would know.

Best Regards,

I'd say your definitely talking to an old avionics guy. The only guys I ever hear talking about the avionics career field broken up into A-shop, B-shop, etc... are retired or pretty damn close to it. Just judging from my personal experiences, your old better "B-shopper's" are some of the most knowledgeable people your likely to come across when it comes to the inner workings of an F-16. Evil or Very Mad

Newbie Joined: Sep 15, 2008 Posts: 8 Status: Offline

JoeSambor wrote:

Why not just ask him what his AFSC is, and what it used to be? By his response above, it appears he is who he says he is, but there are a couple of things not quite right...that could be memory issues though. I would guess he is an old-time Avionics troop, as he is saying some things that only old-time Avionics troops would know.

Best Regards,

Some tidbits he shared

Ethnicity: Asian

Age 46

Taught ABDR

Stationed at MacDill 72nd sometime around 1983-88

Stationed at RAF Upper Heyford working with F-111 radar antennas

Got to fly in the F-16

Enthusiast Joined: May 29, 2008 Posts: 59 Status: Offline

SixerViper wrote:

nam11b--isn't the answer to your question the same for ALL C & D models, vs a different answer for all A & B models? I'm not aware that it was block-specific in the C/Ds, but then I only worked 30s with a smattering of other blocks.

Essentially the SMS computer takes over when you have a GAC or FCC failure. In block 40's it is the ECIU and before that it was CIU and before that it is just plain before my time and I would have to explore that. Block 50's, everything gets picked up by the EPDG.

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