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xenon333
PostPosted: Apr 17, 2008 - 05:31 AM Reply with quote Back to top
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Which variants of the F-16 possess a thrust to weight ratio greater than one? If all of them do, then wouldn't it decrease as the newer variants get increasingly heavier? Or perhaps the newer engines compensate for the increased weight, making the ratio the same as before.

And while we're at it, can anyone think of any other modern fighters with a greater t to w ratio?
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type in the names of different fighter aircraft at wikipedia.org (I mean if it's on wikipedia it's gotta be true) do a little research on your own and you'll find out more information than just what you are looking for.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-16_Fighting_Falcon

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Depends on several factors such as fuel state, loadout, etc. I can't think of any F-16 variant that would have a T:W greater than 1 fully loaded with fuel and weapons (or any other aircraft in the same configuration, for that matter).
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From the Crapapedia...

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Metz has also stated that the F-22 has a top speed greater than 1,600 mph (Mach 2.42) and its climb rate is faster than the F-15 Eagle due to advances in engine technology, despite the F-15's thrust-to-weight ratio of about 1.2:1, with the F-22 having a ratio closer to 1:1.


Umm... what? The laws of physics can be negated by "advances in engine technology"?

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Let's see...depending on your source:

F-15: 1.17 to 1.2 (at MTOW of 60K+, it's significantly less than 1)
F-22: MTOW of 60K pushed by 70,000 lbs max power = 1.16

Shrug

Only thing I can guess is the Raptor is slicker aero-wise than the Eagle and therefore doesn't take as much power to achieve the same or better ROC.

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yeah, and that the Raptor has to be and MTOW to get a T/W close to a clean internal fuel Eagle.

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Yes, lift efficiency must be calculated in there somewhere, but I'll leave that up to the physics majors. Just look at the F-16XL with only 29,000lb thrust, BAM!! 65,000' /min dawg. Imagine with a GE -132 mount, or equiv! Bam Bam!!!

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65,000 ft/min? Maybe at low fuel loads, the XL is a LOT heavier and climb rate is determined by (T-D)V/W, so at a given weight it will beat a standard viper in a climb due to lower drag, but once you go full fuel the weight will hold it down.

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