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Newbie Joined: Oct 11, 2008 Posts: 2 Status: Offline

The Electric Jet versus the Navy's legend.
Situations:
-WVR, Sidewinders and guns only.
-Medium range, Sidewinders, Sparrows, AMRAAMs. No Phoenixes.
-BVR, AMRAAMs, Sparrows, Phoenixes
Other things:
-Endurance at CAP
-Maneuverability
-Anything else you can think of

Anytime, baby!

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Mute point....

WVR- depends on the situation, they may both shoot each other in the face with AIM-9M, F-16 would have the advantage of AIM-9X capability, F-16 will out turn and out climb the Super Tomcat if he is smart. Cat driver will want to get the Falcon below 250 knots, but with the Monster engines Vipers come with that would be tricky.

Medium Range- Definately the F-16 here as the AIM-120 is a vastly superior missile to the AIM-7. Or are we using Vandy 9? (sexiest jet ever)

BVR- The Phoenix will allow EASY first shot unless the AIM-120D is used. However the AIM-54 has proven less than reliable so the Tom gets the first shot but may need multiple followups to keep the Viper busy.

Endurance- Well, the F-14 has a vast fuel supply and better L/Dmax, but is also heavy and has two engines. F-16 is small and has one engine so it depends on the fuel tanks/CFTs used. 20,000 lbs of fuel on the cat with two tanks vs a max of 19,000lbs on an F-16E with CFTs and three externals, although this would give the Viper an atrocious L/Dmax. This one requires a lot more data than I have handy.

Maneuverability- defined how? Stall speed? F-14 Max turn rate? F-16 Roll rate? Viper over 80% of speed range, tied the rest Climb Rate? Viper under low speed conditions.

Anything else I can think of- Raw Sexyness? Tomcat Ruggedness? Tomcat Speed? Tomcat

Viper is a great plane (and my favorite) and I would give various parts of my anatomy to fly one.... But when it comes to what I think the coolest jet is the answer is easy... Grumman's Final Cat, Every Time Baby!

Newbie Joined: Oct 11, 2008 Posts: 2 Status: Offline

Couldn't the Supercat carry the AMRAAM? Plus it's radar is way better for air to air, and has a RIO.
By manueverability, I mean roll rate, corner speed, turn radius, etc
What about the F-14A vs F-16A/B?

Active Member Joined: Apr 22, 2004 Posts: 144

Super-

The best airplane with a mediocre pilot usually won't win against a mediocre plane and a damn good pilot. Just curious, what are you looking for as an answer? Its kind of like trying to compare Jim Brown to Walter Payton to Barry Sanders to Emmitt Smith to.... You get the idea.

If you like one plane more than the other there is very little one can say that will change your opinion. By the way both airplanes are very good at what they were designed to do.

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