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New operational dual pod system - HTS and AN/AAQ-14 LANTIRN



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J.J.
PostPosted: Apr 12, 2008 - 07:56 PM Reply with quote Back to top
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At first: After clarification by Henrik and crazyal611, today I renamed this topic from "New operational dual pod system - HTS and LITENING AT" to "New operational dual pod system - HTS and AN/AAQ-14 LANTIRN". Sorry for my initial error!

Thanks for your reply, Ender_Wiggin! Are you talking about the current AEF 1/2 (Cycle 7) rotation (January – April 2008)? If yes, anybody who can/will tell us why they are equipped with the HTS pod currently in Iraq - without any expected SEAD mission? Only as ballast to consume additional fuel? Laughing Inconceivable - at least in my eyes! And according to current shots taken by spotters, some Spang Vipers are flying daily training sorties without any pod on their air intake. And so, it should be no problem to remove the HTS pod before deploying aircraft to Iraq. BTW: Some other Spang Vipers were also spotted during the last weeks with HTS pod still on station 5R.
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From two more German aircraft spotters I got the permission to use their online Spang shots for F-16.net. Before uploading their stuff let me post the following with the new dual pod system configuration, already linked from FlugzeugForum.de above.

Special thanks to the photographers: Tino Hintze and Harald Strobel! BESTEN DANK, JUNGS! Thumb



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J.J. wrote:
At first: After clarification by Henrik and crazyal611, today I renamed this topic from "New operational dual pod system - HTS and LITENING AT" to "New operational dual pod system - HTS and AN/AAQ-14 LANTIRN". Sorry for my initial error!

Thanks for your reply, Ender_Wiggin! Are you talking about the current AEF 1/2 (Cycle 7) rotation (January – April 2008)? If yes, anybody who can/will tell us why they are equipped with the HTS pod currently in Iraq - without any expected SEAD mission? Only as ballast to consume additional fuel? Laughing Inconceivable - at least in my eyes! And according to current shots taken by spotters, some Spang Vipers are flying daily training sorties without any pod on their air intake. And so, it should be no problem to remove the HTS pod before deploying aircraft to Iraq. BTW: Some other Spang Vipers were also spotted during the last weeks with HTS pod still on station 5R.

No, I was there from Aug-Nov 2007 AEF 7/8-9/10, I think they came with the HTS/Snipers at first but later removed the HTS pods. I wasn't with the 22nd/23rd, but with the VT and IN ANG units that were there at that time.

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Thanks again for your latest reply, Ender_Wiggin! Very interesting! But sorry! Are you only thinking about that they came in with the HTS/Sniper config at first (and that they later removed the HTS pods) or are you sure? Can/will you provide any related photo proof? If not, can/will you provide us some more first-hand info related to your recent deployment for our topic "Balad Air Base Deployment Update": http://www.f-16.net/f-16_forum_viewtopic-t-4207.html We would be very grateful for any support!
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Hi J.J.,

The "SP" detachment Ender is talking about flew combat missions with GBU-12s and GBU-38s with the Sniper/HTS combo in the first stage of the deplyment - see photo below.

I personally believe that the reason for carrying the HTS pods were to "see" what might have happened radar-wise in Iran!!

Photo by Jeff Stoermer.

Greetings,

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Henrik wrote:
Hi J.J.,

The "SP" detachment Ender is talking about flew combat missions with GBU-12s and GBU-38s with the Sniper/HTS combo in the first stage of the deplyment - see photo below.

I personally believe that the reason for carrying the HTS pods were to "see" what might have happened radar-wise in Iran!!

Photo by Jeff Stoermer.

Greetings,

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More likely if you have them keep them on.
Why leave stuff on the ramp when it's easier not remove it in the first place?
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ACMIguy wrote:

More likely if you have them keep them on.
Why leave stuff on the ramp when it's easier not remove it in the first place?


Yeah, could be. Just like "If it is not broken, do not fix it...." kind of policy!!

But I will bet anything that those pods have a keen eye on the Iranian radar sites, as well Rolling Eyes .

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Special thanks for posting this very hot private Jeff Stoermer shot, Henrik! Today, from Harald Strobel (one of the very helpful Spang spotters) I got Hi-res versions of his shots already posted above. Please note the inscription "... Duke ..." on the nose gear door in the second shot! Anybody from the 52nd FW who can/will post additional info?



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Hum P-5CTS....gives me warm fuzzies Very Happy
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Some more Spang Vipers with AN/AAQ-14 LANTIRN. Photos taken today by Michael Tafel.



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Henrik wrote:

One reason for the ANG to pass along their Snipers from the units in New Mexico, Colorado, Montana, Ohio, Oklahoma and Iowa was the fact that the Snipers will primarily assigned to Active assets (F-15E, F-16 and A/OA-10 units) and Litenings will be in the ANG and AFRC (A/OA-10, B-52 and F-16) - just as Mark says above.


There is a lot of mis-information here. Shocked The SNIPER pods flown in the ANG are owned by the ANG and the same goes for Active Duty SNIPER pods, they are owned by the AD. Litening pods continue to be flown by the AD, ANG, and AFRC. The original Litening II Program was originally an ANG/AFRC only program and the original SNIPER program was and continues to be an ANG/AD only program, the AFRC still do not fly them.

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crazyal611 wrote:
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the reason we are saying it looks like and probably is a LANTIRN on the spang aircraft is that the Litening is a guard and reserve program. it was phased into the Active units for the war and a little bit afterwards while problems with reliability, funding, supply were worked out for Sniper. once those issues were overcome, the DoAF started returning the Litening AT back to northrop grumman for modification then on back to guard and reserve a-10, f-16, and b-52 units. some of the Guard and reserve got sniper to spin up with back in 2006 (RMC to korea) while the Litening was the norm in the AOR. but now that the sniper is on track and funded with AD money, AD has Sniper and Guard, Reserve have Litening. Now as far as LANTIRN, since it is was mostly used with AD units, save a few guard units, they have the majority of those pods and it shares a few features with the Sniper. with the number of Litening pods purchased already, the guard and reserve would rather not worry about LANTIRN TGP's anymore. Also, the LANTIRN TGP is longer then the Litening, but not as big around. the ECS intake is also angled on the LANTIRN, but not on the Litening.


Again a lot of mis-information here. The ANG does not have any AD Litening pods. The DoAF has never sent Litening pods back to NGC for mod to be then given to the ANG. The AD and ANG continue to fly LANTIRN targeting pods at thier training units and will continue to do so for quite some time. Sniper is not just funded with AD money, it is also funded with ANG money. They each buy there own. The circumference of a LANTIRN pod and a Litening pod are the same.

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I found this power point which gives a good background on what and when for the HTS/TGP combo.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smar ... sld001.htm
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Special thanks for hot-linking this important Power Point file, ACMIguy! That´s very helpful.
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Hi ViperDude,

Thanks for setting things straight here!! Will this mean that the AD units will continue to fly Litening pods - and the ANG to continue with the Sniper??

Only the DC and SC ANG units with F-16s fly the Sniper at the moment. I had the impression that Litenings would concentrate in the ANG/AFRC and Snipers in AD/Overseas units?!

Why fly two different pods that do the same within the same unit structure - or am I totally off here??

On a side note it is quite funny that the AFRC was/is not involved in the Sniper program as pilots of the 419th FW fly those very Sniper pods on AD 388th FW Block-40s at Hill AFB, UT!!

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