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War puts strain on Air Force’s aging fleet
By Kent Harris and Jennifer Svan, Stars and Stripes
Pacific edition, Sunday, April 6, 2008



Former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld got into hot water in December 2004 while talking with soldiers in Kuwait about a lack of armor-plated vehicles for troops in Iraq.

“As you know, you go to war with the Army you have,” he said. “They’re not the Army you might want or wish to have at a later time.”

The same statement could have been applied to the Air Force then. And even more so three years later.

The planes operating in the skies over Iraq and Afghanistan while Rumsfeld was speaking are still in use today. Some were in use before he assumed the job the first time — in 1975.

The war on terrorism “clearly is putting hours on our aircraft, our mobility fleet, some of our tanker fleets,” said Col. Bruce Litchfield, director of logistics for Pacific Air Forces. “They are working very hard. That is something to be concerned about.”

Especially when some of the aircraft are older than the pilots and crews who support them:

The newest model of the KC-135 that keeps fighters and cargo planes supplied with fuel for long missions has an average age of 46.3 years. Add on another 2½ years for the oldest model.

The 86th Airlift Wing at Ramstein Air Base in Germany is one of the busiest movers and haulers in the service. But its C-130E transport planes go to work with an average age of 43. The C-130H model, based in the Pacific theater, averages a youthful 31.8 years.

Winslow T. Wheeler, who spent three decades working for U.S. senators and the General Accounting Office and is currently a subject-matter expert for the Washington, D.C.-based Center for Defense Information, said the Air Force has only itself to blame for its situation.

“The Air Force has done this to itself by allowing unit costs to get totally out of control,” he said Wednesday in a telephone interview. He said the service’s newest fighter jet, the F-22 Raptor, is costing about three times more per plane than it was supposed to.

He derided the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter — the other next-generation fighter that’s still undergoing testing — as a “flying piano” and predicted that cost overruns with that program could be even worse.

Wheeler said the service’s current tactical fleet, though aging, has proven itself over the years. He said the service should spend its money on keeping those planes serviceable even though that could cost millions of dollars each time to fix airframes that are often well into their second decade of life.

According to a GAO report issued in 2001, current fighter aircraft are expected to make up 87 percent of the tactical fleet in 2011 and represent 24 percent of the tactical fleet in 2025. Those estimates were made using Air Force timelines and plans for the introduction of the F-22 and F-35. If fewer new planes are introduced or the timeline slips, the percentages would climb higher.

The Air Force proposed a budget of $117 billion for fiscal year 2009 in February. Gen. Michael Moseley, the Air Force Chief of Staff, asked for $18 billion more than that, mostly to pay for keeping the current generation of airframes operational.

“The dilemma we have been in with the ‘holiday’ on aircraft procurement is affecting us in many ways,” Moseley said. “By flying these older planes longer, the cost per flying hour goes up, the break rates go up, you need more maintenance and crew fees.”

The aging of the fleet shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone in the Air Force — or Congress.

The GAO report in 2001, for instance, projected just such a scenario. Addressing tactical aircraft used by the Air Force and Navy, the report said “over the next 11 years, the average age will continue to increase, especially in the Air Force.”

It’s beginning to seem that the report might have been conservative in its estimates.

“Unless we stop flying what we’ve currently got, we’re going to continue to get older, at least in the short term,” said Col. Dorothy Silvanic, aircraft maintenance division chief for U.S. Air Forces in Europe. She’s referring to all the Air Force’s airframes, not just the fighters.

The Air Force maintains that it won’t put any aircraft into the skies if crews don’t feel they’re safe.

“I don’t think there are any maintainers in the U.S. Air Force who would turn [a plane] over to a pilot if it wasn’t safe to fly,” Litchfield said.

But cracks have begun to appear in some of the fleet. Especially as the aircraft reach, and exceed, not only their initial life expectancies but projected flying hour maximums as well.

Many of the service’s F-15s worldwide were grounded after one of them broke apart in air in the States in November. C-130 models had to receive new wing boxes after cracks were discovered.

“No one would have expected the longerons to crack on the F-15 and break open in flight,” Litchfield said. “No one expected the C-130 wing box to crack when it did, where it did. The question is what’s next on the F-16, what’s next on the KC-135 tanker?

“We’re going to have a ‘what’s next’ and there’s going to be the next aging aircraft problem that’s going to cause us to seriously look at the status of our fleet.”

So why doesn’t the Air Force just replace older planes with newer versions of existing aircraft? Silvanic said the service does rotate planes with fewer flying hours to locations around the globe. But Europe, for instance, only sees a few replacement aircraft a year. The most recent arrival is a C-130E that came to Ramstein in February.

That didn’t make the fleet any younger, though.

“In fact, it’s just as old as the rest of them,” she said.

New models of most current airframes don’t come along because there are no new models. Of the various makes currently assigned to Europe, for instance, only the C-37, C-40, F-15 and F-16 are currently being produced.

The C-37 and C-40 are essentially military conversions of commercial aircraft. They’re among the newest planes in the Air Force and aren’t needed in large numbers. The F-15s and F-16s being built are designated for foreign markets only. The Air Force received its last F-16 in 2005 and took possession of the newest F-15 a year earlier.

Wheeler said the Air Force could decide to start paying for new F-15s and F-16s again if it wanted to.

“But they’d have to swallow a lot of pride to do that,” he said.

Production lines on all other planes currently fielded in Europe have been shut down.

Still, new — or newer — aircraft are on the way and some have already arrived. Most new airframes will make their debuts in the States before they make their way overseas. That’s the case with the newest planes in the Pacific — all based in Hawaii or Alaska.

PACAF boasts C-17 Globemaster cargo planes with an average age of just more than four years. There are 20 F-22s now based at Elmendorf Air Force Base in Alaska. They are less than a year old on average.

The C-130E fleet at Ramstein will start getting replaced by C-130Js in 2009, according to the Air Force. Pending a final resolution regarding a contract awarded for new KC-45A refuelers, the KC-135 might start to disappear from bases such as RAF Mildenhall, England, in 2013. Maybe.

“Not only is it 50 years old now,” Litchfield said. “In terms of the tanker force, it still has to be around 15, 20 years or more. Therefore, this thing is going to be eligible for Social Security and retirement before it gets taken out of the inventory.”

Litchfield said F-15s at Hickham Air Force Base in Hawaii won’t be replaced by F-22s until at least 2011.

The Air Force said that although there are plans to bring next generation fighter jets to overseas bases such as RAF Lakenheath, England, Spangdahlem Air Base in Germany and Aviano Air Base in Italy, there is no timeline to do so.

Wheeler said that Air Force bases overseas might be closer to the fight — and thus logically the place for newer aircraft to be stationed. But he said it’s easier to sell Congress on new airplanes if they’re assigned to congressional districts in the States.

“They’re buying off votes in Congress,” he said.

If the service reduces the number of newer aircraft it fields, fewer would be based abroad. Or, those in the current fleet already here might get even longer lives.

Like many pilots, 1st Lt. Jacob Conger — assigned to the 510th Fighter Squadron at Aviano — isn’t ready to give up on his favorite airframe.

“If I could fly the F-16 for 10 years and stay (at Aviano), I’d do it," he said. “That would be awesome.”

He’s unlikely to get that wish, only because he’ll be deployed elsewhere. The planes aren’t going away anytime soon.

Source: http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?sect ... icle=53864



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Where is the stats on the B-52s, B-1s, C-5s, ect….?

Strange they are not included in the stats.
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No it's not. If the air force put those up there, it would drag the average down more. They don't wanna make them selfs look that bad

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Heres what I think should be done:

New F-16s and F-15s (I'm not 100% sure if any F-15 production lines are open, I know F-16 lines are though) should be produced at a rate to replace losses of current aircraft. UCAVs and UAVs should fill in the operational gaps in areas where they can. Cheap (relatively) UCAVs should fill in the role of bomb-truck.

The F-22 and F-35 are still years away from approaching any sort of numbers. I once read that each new generation of aircraft costs about 10 times as much as the previous generation.

But the point being, older generation aircraft are adequate to fill in the roles in Iraq. Shoot, remember when they tried to bring the P-51 back in the 80s for the role of close air support?
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FDiron wrote:
Shoot, remember when they tried to bring the P-51 back in the 80s for the role of close air support?


You're kidding, right Shocked ??? I never heard of this, but then again I was born in 1976 Wink Any further info on this?

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FDiron wrote:
Heres what I think should be done:

New F-16s and F-15s (I'm not 100% sure if any F-15 production lines are open, I know F-16 lines are though)


F-15's are being made they are F-15K SLAM Eagles for ROKAF

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Its not a P-51 per se. Here is a link to info. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piper_PA-48_Enforcer
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This PA-48 doesn't look that bad at all. Wonder if they ever proposed it to other countries.
I can imagine African or South-American countries being interested in such an aircraft.

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Thanks for the info Thumb !!! I sure wouldn't mind one of those Smile

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Well, we can expect to see large numbers of F-35's in the coming years............. Not Worthy
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FDiron, you hit the nail on the head man. (or at least as I hit them on this topic, lol). But your assessment is well made. Figure F-35s not being fully operational, in triple digit units, until maybe 2017? 2018? So there is a slight gap/hole issue to deal with in all truth.

See, the F-35 lobby is nervous when people start talking about gap-fillers, etc, since this only means fewer F-35s. Hence an extended game of chicken, bluff and 'drag it outism'.

Latest reports still claim the F-35 is on schedule, while the 'cough' costs are trying to be held to a revised potential $300 billion figure, at latest calculation. But what that exactly means in real terms and real orders, etc, will have to be seen.

But I would totally concur with you, that the 1,400+ USAF F-35 figure should be chizzled down to perhaps 475-575 and the saved funds be reallocated in the meanwhile, for top-notched F-16 Block 70 (or F-16XL derivative) and new Super-Eagles plus accelerated Reaper-class UAV orders to 'gap-fill'. Such 'properly' pimped out Legacy, alone, could deter most global air-dominance threats and perform satisfactory multi-roles for 10 yrs.+

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It's gotta be one heck of alot cheaper for the USAF to order replacement vipers and eagles than to update old aircraft, in the long run. And once servicelife on the airframe is used up you need basicly a new airframe, and that's the problem here.
The war efforts in the middle east are putting a strain on the aircraft and not to mention flight hours.

A 5 year war in Iraq plus operations in both the balkans in the 90's and afghanistan racks up those flight hours at an alarming rate.

And also why push ahead with small numbers of new fighters that will not be operational for atleast another 10 years, when we know that the USAF will reqiure a signofigantly higher number of combat aircraft than whats avaleble, and will be avaleble. I'm not sure if the USAF can wait for new aircraft like the F-35 to be developed, tested and mass produced in time. And with the budget cuts we have seen over the years (refering to the F-22 program)


I'd say scratch the F-35 and put the investments in a set of jets that has been prooven in combat and been in use for over 30 years. The design is still as good and a human can't withstand more than a 9G pull anyway.

The engine and avionics is under constant upgrade anyway and so is the "war-electronics". And I will not even go into the stealth part.. what good is a military jet that has stealth, but very limited storage room inside the plane for weapons and fuel. And if you hang a set of fueltanks on the F-35, stealth is gone anyway. And as has been proven the F-15/F-16 will have a servicelife of 30-40 years. And the overall cost of a toall 80 year service for one aircraft type, has to be alot lower than starting all over with a new program 2-3 times in that same period.
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Master-of-Disaster wrote:
This PA-48 doesn't look that bad at all. Wonder if they ever proposed it to other countries.
I can imagine African or South-American countries being interested in such an aircraft.


A development of the P-51 when Cavalier bought the design rights from North American, originally known as the Cavalier I and II it became the Cavalier III when the Merlin was replaced with a Rolls-Royce Dart 510 Turboprop. The design was later sold to Piper and became the PA-48 Enforcer. The jet Mafia killed the concept and both aircraft are sitting in museums.
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One is in the USAF Museum Annex at Wright-Pat.

Looks bad a$$ for a prop. Devil
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